[VEHICLE] B-25 bomber and the B-17 bomber
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I know that there is already a B-25 bomber and the B-17 but those two mods really are buggy and not very good and both makers are not responding at all about the issues with their mods so I wish someone would make the real B-25 bomber and the B-17 with working turrets with working Browning .50 Cal machine guns cause for one the B-17 was never a Japanese version and the B-25 never had canons nor missiles or mini guns and it would be awesome to where you can put your body guards in the planes with you in the turrets the two that are in the mods that are already made I doubt the makers of the mod is doing anything to fix them.
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@TR71777 actually, I believe that the Japanese captured a few B-17's. And if I remember correctly, they remarked them with Japanese markings.
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@nathanjamesddg151 said in B-25 bomber and the B-17 bomber:
@TR71777 actually, I believe that the Japanese captured a few B-17's. And if I remember correctly, they remarked them with Japanese markings.
well if that's the case then I guess my grandfather who was a WW2 vet god rest his soul is wrong cause as I was told by him that none was ever captured at all shot down yes captured no cause the only country that was able to capture one intact was Germany they tried to use it to sneak in the united states but failed badly due to the fact that the british intel network got wind of it and the B-17 was shot down Japan never had a chance to capture one at all cause either they were destroyed during the bombing of pearl harbor or during the capture of the Philippines islands
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@TR71777 you're wrong. Look at this link: http://www.j-aircraft.com/captured/capturedby/b-17/captured_b17.htm If you still don't believe me Google it. Or go to your local library and check out a book about it, talk to a ww2 aviation expert etc. And they did fly it. The b17 was mass produced, numbering in the thousands, and was the main bomber of the army air force. It is like how some people refuse to believe that the US captured a Japanese Zero.
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@nathanjamesddg151 said in B-25 bomber and the B-17 bomber:
@TR71777 you're wrong. Look at this link: http://www.j-aircraft.com/captured/capturedby/b-17/captured_b17.htm If you still don't believe me Google it. Or go to your local library and check out a book about it, talk to a ww2 aviation expert etc. And they did fly it. The b17 was mass produced, numbering in the thousands, and was the main bomber of the army air force. It is like how some people refuse to believe that the US captured a Japanese Zero.
Well then I guess my late grandfather was wrong then but still to make a mod of a American made B-17 bomber with Japanese markings instead of American markings as it should of been was a disgrace to all who flew and fought in WW2 like I said before my grandfather told me a lot when he was in WW2 and I myself am veteran myself I wish someone would take over the B-25 mod and the B-17 mod and fix them or remake them the way they are supposed to be cause the B-25 never ever had missiles or mini guns or a tank canon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_B-25_Mitchell and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-17_Flying_Fortress so I really really hope someone will either take them over or redo them to show honor to the ones who lost their lives in WW2
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@TR71777 agreed. Perhaps @SkylineGTRFreak can make one - or if he did - update his. A B-17 combined with the carpet bombing script and bodyguards manning the 50 cals would be awesome!!! Funny story, my Grandpa also served, though he was Army intelligence. He's the one who told me the Japanese captured a B-17. I didn't believe it until I Googled it.
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@nathanjamesddg151 said in B-25 bomber and the B-17 bomber:
@TR71777 agreed. Perhaps @SkylineGTRFreak can make one - or if he did - update his. A B-17 combined with the carpet bombing script and bodyguards manning the 50 cals would be awesome!!! Funny story, my Grandpa also served, though he was Army intelligence. He's the one who told me the Japanese captured a B-17. I didn't believe it until I Googled it.
It would be awesome maybe we can ask skylinefreak to either take over their mods since the owners are not even responding to anyone at this point and or remake them the right way and bring honor to those who served like our grandfathers .
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@TR71777 although the Japanese skins shouldn't be removed, as they are still history, and no one should ever forget history as forgetting history means that we will be bound to make the same mistakes again. If you don't agree, that's fine, but it would be the equivalent of saying we should remove all the US skins from a Mig mod (if there is one) because it doesn't fit or something along that line. They should definitely make sure the skins and weapons are accurate along with a description. I can probably make the correct skins easily.
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@TR71777 another interesting fact I just learned is that the Nazi's special operations groups' used the B-17. Apparently for special bombing missions or something.
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@TR71777 I'll email him, and it may be easy, although he is really busy with another mod, an arleigh burke class destroyer right now, which is a long term project (I'm doing the texturing), so he may not have time, plus, he'd have to contact and get permission from the author, if he isn't the author already, which could take time. I didn't really look hard at both the US or Japanese skins for the B-17, so I don't know if they're accurate. I do hate historical inaccuracies a lot, like in Michael Bay's Pearl Harbor, he changed the color of the Zero's paintjob because "it looked cooler". Some can't be avoided, obviously, but people have to at least try.
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@nathanjamesddg151 said in B-25 bomber and the B-17 bomber:
@TR71777 although the Japanese skins shouldn't be removed, as they are still history, and no one should ever forget history as forgetting history means that we will be bound to make the same mistakes again. If you don't agree, that's fine, but it would be the equivalent of saying we should remove all the US skins from a Mig mod (if there is one) because it doesn't fit or something along that line. They should definitely make sure the skins and weapons are accurate along with a description. I can probably make the correct skins easily.
I understand that totally but I just wish that the owners of the mod made them with American markings first to honor all who fought WW2 then bring in other skins for the mod but what is done is done and the owner of the B-25 mod really made the B-25 retarded looking with the canons and missiles and mini guns cause the B-25 never had those ever .
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@nathanjamesddg151 said in B-25 bomber and the B-17 bomber:
@TR71777 another interesting fact I just learned is that the Nazi's special operations groups' used the B-17. Apparently for special bombing missions or something.
Like I said earlier the Germans did captured a lot of them but were unsuccessful in using them on missions due to the British intel networks
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@TR71777 totally agree there. There should be like 6 American skins and 1-3 Japanese skins (because they captured 3 total), and should definitely not use the Japanese skin as the main thumbnail.
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@nathanjamesddg151 said in B-25 bomber and the B-17 bomber:
@TR71777 I'll email him, and it may be easy, although he is really busy with another mod, an arleigh burke class destroyer right now, which is a long term project (I'm doing the texturing), so he may not have time, plus, he'd have to contact and get permission from the author, if he isn't the author already, which could take time. I didn't really look hard at both the US or Japanese skins for the B-17, so I don't know if they're accurate. I do hate historical inaccuracies a lot, like in Michael Bay's Pearl Harbor, he changed the color of the Zero's paintjob because "it looked cooler". Some can't be avoided, obviously, but people have to at least try.
I doubt he can get a response from both of them cause they haven't responded to no one since they made them hell I doubt they even care about their mods or how to fix the bugs or correctly make them the way they are supposed to be.
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@TR71777 that's actually pretty interesting. I want to research that more. It might be cool to make skins for all the air forces' that used B-17's, making sure that they are historically accurate of course. Once again, I'll contact Skyline, or I'll buy a model off Turbosquid, although I think he did one for gta iv, so we may be in luck.
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@nathanjamesddg151 said in B-25 bomber and the B-17 bomber:
@TR71777 that's actually pretty interesting. I want to research that more. It might be cool to make skins for all the air forces' that used B-17's, making sure that they are historically accurate of course. Once again, I'll contact Skyline, or I'll buy a model off Turbosquid, although I think he did one for gta iv, so we may be in luck.
Awesome I would love to see them redone and historically the right way and hopefully that the bodyguards would man the turrets on both the B-25 and B-17 with working browning .50 Cal machine guns. I hope you guys can do it too .
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@TR71777 Okay, so Skyline made the B-17 for gta sa, not IV, which is good because it means he can make the B-17 without needing any permissions. Unfortunately he had nothing to do with the B-25. And those miniguns on the B-25 looked beyond retarded. Words cannot describe it...
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@TR71777 I think the body guards will man the turret, but I don't think they will ever fire it. That might need to be scripted. I know a guy, I'll ask.
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@nathanjamesddg151 said in B-25 bomber and the B-17 bomber:
@TR71777 Okay, so Skyline made the B-17 for gta sa, not IV, which is good because it means he can make the B-17 without needing any permissions. Unfortunately he had nothing to do with the B-25. And those miniguns on the B-25 looked beyond retarded. Words cannot describe it...
Awesome I hope the bodyguards would be able to man the turrets with working .50 Cals and I totally agree with you with the B-25 he totally made it look retarded looking a total disgrace to the plane itself and to the people who flew them hell words can't even be said sad to say
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@nathanjamesddg151 said in B-25 bomber and the B-17 bomber:
@TR71777 I think the body guards will man the turret, but I don't think they will ever fire it. That might need to be scripted. I know a guy, I'll ask.
ahh ok cool I just want it to be able to man them and fire them lol be awesome if it could happen
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@TR71777 I can't remember if it was the B-25 or some older bomber/cargo aircraft, but in the Vietnam War, several were modified into attack craft, like the AC-130, and they used miniguns, although they were on the sides of the craft, not on the front. But yeah... a total disgrace, especially considering the M61 Vulcan, which the M134 Minigun was based off of (hence "mini") was developed after World War II in 1947 to address (among other things) the issue of allied losses in the Second World War.
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@nathanjamesddg151 said in B-25 bomber and the B-17 bomber:
@TR71777 I can't remember if it was the B-25 or some older bomber/cargo aircraft, but in the Vietnam War, several were modified into attack craft, like the AC-130, and they used miniguns, although they were on the sides of the craft, not on the front. But yeah... a total disgrace, especially considering the M61 Vulcan, which the M134 Minigun was based off of (hence "mini") was developed after World War II in 1947 to address (among other things) the issue of allied losses in the Second World War.
well here is one of the WW2 aircraft that used mini guns and its a old cargo plane as well
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_AC-47_Spooky this would also be a awesome mod too but I think there would be a copyright problem due to the fact of the makers have it locked down as far as I can research this is the only one I can think of that was a WW2 cargo plane with mini guns used in Vietnam ill keep researching for more. and hey ask skylinefreak if he can make them as add ons and also see if he is interested in making the F-4 Phantom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F-4_Phantom_II
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@TR71777 Both are on my to-do list along with the B-29. I can't tell you when though.
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@SkylineGTRFreak just messaged you over that lol. @TR71777 the AC-47 was the one I was thinking about. I probably can find or buy a AC-47/C-47 if one cannot be found.
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@SkylineGTRFreak said in B-25 bomber and the B-17 bomber:
@TR71777 Both are on my to-do list along with the B-29. I can't tell you when though.
that's awesome bro when ever you get a chance to bro it will be well worth the wait and I hope that when you do the B-17 that the bodyguards would be able to man the turrets and fire the Browning .50 Cal machine guns and I just love your mods bro and everyone else's too that do military mods it brings honor to all who served looking forward to all your upcoming new mods bro keep up the awesome work that you guys do
