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Rockstar gave response and OpenIV team replied.


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    So we all know earlier today rockstar gave a statement response to PCgamer website regarding take two's actions and rockstar said they are trying out things and discussing how keep single player mods alive while protecting online players.

    Well here is the response openiv team gave back to rockstar.

    Here is my comment on this Rockstar's statement:

    OpenIV, Liberty City in GTA V and all other mods/projects from my team and me are only specific for Single player. Rockstar must be well aware about the fact that you cannot access GTA Online while you have installed any OpenIV mod:

    The statement "Unfortunately OpenIV enables recent malicious mods that allow harassment of players and interfere with the GTA Online experience for everybody", is just wrong and they know it. OpenIV does not allows or supports any kind of GTA Online mods. We always supported Rockstar in their right to protect GTA Online from hacks and cheats. But, Take-Two's C&D was specific for out Singleplayer mods and have no mentions about GTA Online. "


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    Lacatask made this. To explain the situation

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    It should be no hacking allowed . not no modding.


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    Rockstar: There was a fugitive hiding in the forest!
    Take Two: Burn the Forest!
    Animals: what is our crime?



  • Okay so if Rockstars sole purpose in having Take2 being the big-bad in this situation for the claim (valid or not) that OpenIV makes it possible to go online & harass people... They why not insist OpenIV close that loophole BEFORE telling them to ruit the entire Modding Community's chances to have fun in offline mode which makes up the MAJORITY of us.

    I also know, Take2 and Rockstar fully know that even with "OpenIV" out of the picture and scripthook to presumably not being updated either will not stop modders and cheaters in online. Its unfortunately a part of the 'online subculture'. Its as much of a part of being online with them as being online with the racists or the 8 year old brat that's screaming in your ear. We've each encountered these two types of people in online and make more, which is why we enjoyed playing OFFLINE and doing it with mods that Rockstar would never (and some could never) make.

    1. License vehicles like Batman, General Lee and so forth would require a huge licensing feel that they're not going to do...
    2. Peds of characters in popular culture also not financially beneficial as there's as big if not bigger cost to that. So say goodbye to the Flash, Superman, Terminator, Spiderman and the rest of the action comics or movie characters.
    3. The cops and zombies are two of the biggest parts of the modding community and yet Rockstar's done pretty much nothing towards this genre for online. In fact, it'd bring the majority of people BACK to Online that have left if we could be a copy online or have a full Zombie lobby... Hell when they do Christmas snow that barely lasts more than a day or two.

    Anyway that's my vent. I just wish Rockstar and Take2 would give people that mod the option--clean up access that more enforces you to stay offline first... I have been modding since March and I accidentally hit Online when loading up the game once in a while. It doesn't let me on, so somebody's already made some efforts to that end.

    Vendetta


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    Update: Take-Two says it targeted the Open IV project over "harassment issues," but was not targeting modding overall.

    "Take-Two's actions were not specifically targeting single player mods. Unfortunately OpenIV enables recent malicious mods that allow harassment of players and interfere with the GTA Online experience for everybody. We are working to figure out how we can continue to support the creative community without negatively impacting our players," the company told Ars.



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    Take-Two... ban... OpenIV...



  • The good news without really being, the continuation which, I hope, will be positive. I really think so. I would not want to lose one of my passions, my hobby, my favorite medicines without mods is just a passing game like all the other games that are currently out, making things longevity. The multitude of what this game can accept is immense. I really hope that it will not stop



  • Yes, if to be more clear, I have been playing GTA since I in 1998, when I had just gone to school and actually, as You see, I am here...

    Since III, ONLY WITH MODS! Besides completing story mode once in all games.

    Should be a great example to R* or T2...



  • the forces of GTA, the modding. i never saw a game with so many mod and so different.



  • @Voltrock then yu don't know skyrim xd


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    @Shaezbreizh does skyrim have aircraft? Boats? Cars? Amphibious stuff? Military assets? Guns? Rockets ? :P



  • @FoxtrotDelta xS you sound angry , did I say they got same mod than gta V ? obviously not it's a total other kind of game.
    ( even if yes there is a vehicle/aircraft/amphibious boat > http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/30933/? or gun > http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/42470/? Or rocket or a lot of mod xD)
    i was just answering to "i never saw a game with so many mod and so different " and in no way doing comparison on the kind of mod, just saying that skyrim is a cool game to mod ( since bethesda give to modder a Freaky awsome ultra mega cool tool ).
    that all ^^
    Bethesda is for me one of the best company since they support modder giving them tool and encouraging their creativity.
    If ever rockstar could do a kind of creation kit for gta there will be twice more mod and they would be probably better if we got an official complete tool with all possibilty open
    but no, they only did a shity poor uncomplete editor ;S
    even modder did better stuff for mapping, video or whatever xd


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    @Shaezbreizh naah im not angry at all, that was an excited reply, and in hurry i pressed downvote instead of upvote cuz im using android mobile phone right now , and mistakey clicked downvote , but i did recify it asap :P

    Not angry at all.



  • @FoxtrotDelta xd i didn't even see that you downvoted


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    @Shaezbreizh as i said it was an error of the finger ;) corrected it asap, before anyone could notice.



  • Are there any lawyers here on these forums. I have a very big problem and interesting question that I'd like to have some perspective on from a legal standpoint....

    All of a sudden, a few weeks before the big update came out, I noticed somehow Steam was "connecting to the internet & starting to download updates" even though I hadn't played the game in a few days nor did I have Steam open... This is on my work computer & the game is on a separate drive--so the minute I turn the machine on & log into Windows--steam somehow opens and starts updating steam's app.

    This also caused my one (of more than one) copies of GTAV to update overnight without my knowledge. I had inadvertently left the external hard drive connected to the laptop & steam was of course NOT open as it was at work. So that night, the new version of GTA V installed without my knowledge (and obviously without my permission).

    When did it become legal for a software company to 'initiate' an app update and turn on its self, access the internet and do this function without knowledge or permission for the owner of that computer??? Is that not an illegal act? I know technically software isn't "owned", we're owning the license to use that version of that program for whatever terms the author dictates.

    I just don't recall a computer program over covertly accessing the internet, updating without permission, as a thing that is normally done. I'd love to hear a legal opinion on this...seriously seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen over this.



  • @vendetta1969 said in Rockstar gave response and OpenIV team replied.:

    Are there any lawyers here on these forums. I have a very big problem and interesting question that I'd like to have some perspective on from a legal standpoint....

    All of a sudden, a few weeks before the big update came out, I noticed somehow Steam was "connecting to the internet & starting to download updates" even though I hadn't played the game in a few days nor did I have Steam open... This is on my work computer & the game is on a separate drive--so the minute I turn the machine on & log into Windows--steam somehow opens and starts updating steam's app.

    This also caused my one (of more than one) copies of GTAV to update overnight without my knowledge. I had inadvertently left the external hard drive connected to the laptop & steam was of course NOT open as it was at work. So that night, the new version of GTA V installed without my knowledge (and obviously without my permission).

    When did it become legal for a software company to 'initiate' an app update and turn on its self, access the internet and do this function without knowledge or permission for the owner of that computer??? Is that not an illegal act? I know technically software isn't "owned", we're owning the license to use that version of that program for whatever terms the author dictates.

    I just don't recall a computer program over covertly accessing the internet, updating without permission, as a thing that is normally done. I'd love to hear a legal opinion on this...seriously seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen over this.

    Steam will not update unless you click on the GTAV launcher exe...IF you disabled auto updates option under GTAV properties in Steam library



  • @rastakilla okay but how is Steam opening and updating the Steam app. Its updating the steam app when I clearly did not have it open.... I find this weird and there's no explanation how Steam keeps opening and updating the steam app...



  • Well i still have the OpenIV app, disable your internet if you install any mods. Otherwise you will be forced to uninstall OpenIV.



  • @FoxtrotDelta said in Rockstar gave response and OpenIV team replied.:

    OpenIV, Liberty City in GTA V and all other mods/projects from my team and me are only specific for Single player. Rockstar must be well aware about the fact that you cannot access GTA Online while you have installed any OpenIV mod:

    The statement "Unfortunately OpenIV enables recent malicious mods that allow harassment of players and interfere with the GTA Online experience for everybody", is just wrong and they know it. OpenIV does not allows or supports any kind of GTA Online mods. We always supported Rockstar in their right to protect GTA Online from hacks and cheats. But, Take-Two's C&D was specific for out Singleplayer mods and have no mentions about GTA Online. "

    This doesn't sound like Rockstar, they actually respected some of the GTA IV mods then. (Assuming you've seen it yourself, Foxtrot.)


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    @krashadam this was reported on twitter by open iv and some news articles too,


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