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Feedback required: Rule change regarding showcasing mods not for 5Mods


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    Several mod authors and users have contacted me over the past few days to discuss their concern with the rising trend of people showcasing their paid for/"VIP" work that is never intended for and/or is unlikely to ever be uploaded to 5Mods. Basically, using 5Mods to advertise paid for mod making services that will not benefit 5Mods or its users.

    At the moment there is no rule regarding this on 5Mods, likely because it hasn't been a major issue until recently.

    I'm writing this thread to show a potential rule change that I would like to bring into force on 5Mods and the forums and for any users who are concerned about this topic, either way, to provide feedback on this rule change and say their piece.

    The rule I would like to add to the site is thus:

    "Users should only advertise, showcase or otherwise promote their work and/or services if the product of that work is fully intended to be released on 5Mods within a reasonable time frame. To clarify, timed exclusives for Patreon backers are acceptable, but you must intend to (and actually) release your mod on 5Mods after that timed exclusive period is over, and that timed exclusive period should be no more than 1 month. If you are unsure of whether you can or will upload your work to 5Mods once it's finished then do not showcase it until you are sure."

    If you have feelings on this matter or believe that the rule should be adapted or clarified in some way then please make them known here. Personally, I'd love opinions on whether 1 month is too long/too short for timed exclusives. The consultation period for this rule change is going to be 4 days and, on Friday, I will take on board any feedback that users have given and make my decision.

    Thank you.



  • Does this apply to threads being made in the WIP/REL section only?

    Like: I am working on this, look how cool. SHAME YOU WON'T GET IT FOR FREE.

    Or does this also count for the screenshot thread? I mean unless someone constantly posts pics of private mods and only has a few tossed in, I don't see a problem with that :thinking:


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    @SkylineGTRFreak said in Feedback required: Rule change regarding showcasing mods not for 5Mods:

    Or does this also count for the screenshot thread? I mean unless someone constantly posts pics of private mods and only has a few tossed in, I don't see a problem with that

    It depends whether that leads to more "indirect" forms of advertising paid for services that don't benefit 5Mods users.

    On Nexus Mods we have a rule in our Image Share section that if the mod cannot be uploaded to Nexus Mods (e.g. it breaks our ToS) or isn't available for download somewhere on the internet, for free, then you should not include that mod in your screenshots. The reason being, if you start uploading screenshots of cool custom mods that aren't available openly on the internet people are going to ask "Hey, that looks cool, where did you get that?" which then forms a valid excuse for advertising your services, e.g. "Oh, it's only available to my Patreon backers" or "Oh, a user paid me x dollars for it, I'd be happy to make something custom for you if you wish?" or "Oh, I can't tell you openly here, I'll PM you".

    It's a bit of a slippery slope. If you're a Patreon who does timed exclusives, though, it will be fine because you can say "Oh, it's currently only available to my Patreon backers, but I will upload it to 5Mods once that expires on <date>".

    Happy to take onboard feedback with this as well.



  • I fully agree with the intended new rule.



  • @Dark0ne ah alright, I can see what you mean. It's just that I have seen a few users having private cars on their screenshots. Often they didn't make them themselves and blended them into the shots nicely.

    But like you said, there were also those "where did you get it" posts with the expected response.

    Anyway, I'm all for having threads and obvious showcases like that closed and abandoned. Regarding the screenshot thread I'm a little indifferent, but I can understand your POV.



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  • "Basically, using 5Mods to advertise paid for mod making services that will not benefit 5Mods or its users."

    Why exactly? 5mods is a place for everyone in the modding community. Also if the paid content has really good quality, it's a benefit for both the user who buys it and for the author.



  • @Stellasin That's not what this website is about. We're gonna go full circle and everything that happened in the external link thread will happen here.

    @Dark0ne as for feedback, I suggest removing the time period thing. Mods can take a large amount of time, but in the end most do eventually get released. A good example is the GTS mod, it took 7 months, but it was released in the end.

    I'm stupid, I read it again and it wasn't about free mods, it was about patreon only mods.



  • @Dark0ne i appreciate that you as the owner and admin of 5mods started this thread and react to the people of this community which contacted you about that thematic. if more and more people feel uncomfortable with this kind of content on the webpage, tell you that and you react like this, shows that you care about the community and want that people feel good when they visit this site (sorry for the bad english i cant describe this better). i totally agree to everything you wanted to add and in my opinion 1 month for time exclusive mods would be a perfect amount.
    i also agree to everything @SkylineGTRFreak has written. very good idea to mention also the screenshot thread.
    i dont need/want a poll because i prefer to read the opinion of the people and what they have to say about that thematic instead of just "agree" "disagree". its a a change on the site, on the guidlines and this should be discussed.
    thank you for creating this thread. thats a step in the right direction.



  • @AHK1221 said in Feedback required: Rule change regarding showcasing mods not for 5Mods:

    but it was released in the end

    Speaking on my humble behalf, same goes for a lot of my retexturing and liveries

    But, all in all, the more the average user doesn't show at least some basic gratitude and/or respect and instead just demands do this or make that when something is released, does take the fun out doing this stuff as a pass time...

    And makes the time period from first WiP screens to actually go public with it much longer than a month


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    Maybe there can be a section for paid mod makers to post their work?

    But I would not let their posts be listed as recent posts... So this way if someone wants to go shopping and see the available pay to play mods they have an opportunity to have access but the rest of the people who are not interested in paying for mods do not paid mod forum topics populating the recent posts.

    Users who are interested in patron mods would still be able to receive notifications about the thread:

    • list itemA user could follow another user.

    • list itemA user could follow or favorite a thread.

    • list itemA user who posts to a thread is notified when a new post occurs in a thread.



  • @AHK1221 sadly its true what you told Stellasin. its very disappointing that we cant share our opinions without all this upcoming hate and can talk normal about such things.
    i dont agree to the second part of your post. take my hillclimb mod for example. its nearly ready, i think maximum 2 weeks (just a few opitcal things) and the thread is from february, i think. i had done a break on the mod and i found not enough competitioners who would win all the vehicle and script mods i linked in the main topic and created just for that. so i would be affected too from that change BUT if a mod needs longer, just start the thread if you can see it could be ready in 1 month. i dont like to talk 7 month about a new mod. so as soon that will be added to the guidlines, i would prefer to delete my topic and re-open it at that time, i am sure, i can release it.

    @AHK1221 said in Feedback required: Rule change regarding showcasing mods not for 5Mods:

    @Dark0ne as for feedback, I suggest removing the time period thing. Mods can take a large amount of time, but in the end most do eventually get released. A good example is the GTS mod, it took 7 months, but it was released in the end.

    and recognize * whisper * its about paid/vip mods, not free mods ;)

    edit: @Dark0ne but now, AHK1221 mentioned that, i think that should be guilty also for free mods. who really know, if they are free or if people wanted to show and advertise the mod a few month until everyone has seen his topic and then decided to add a "pay me"-link. i think that 1 month you have suggested is perfect for any kind of mod. if he doesnt release it on the main page, people can still create a new topic when they release it.



  • @TobsiCred yeah xD i thought it was about patreon mods.



  • @DarthPungz said in Feedback required: Rule change regarding showcasing mods not for 5Mods:

    Users who are interested in patron mods

    ...should use patreon and watch there for payed content in my opinion. on 5mods i watch/look to 5mods content but thank you for your opinion



  • As long as this site doesn't host paid mods, I'm happy.



  • I agree on the time limit, but I would shorten it to two weeks. An entire month of shilling your mod here linking to the paid version is too much for me.

    And only if the entire mod, and not a demo version, is going to be on 5mods, of course.

    I assume the time limit is from the mod's paid release? People will be able to post WIPs to no end while they're working on it?

    I also wouldn't allow direct links on public threads (Screenshot thread for example) to paid content, but I wouldn't mind these paid links on the mod's own thread.


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    @TobsiCred

    I disagree, many people who make paid mods also make free mods... Sometimes people who pay modders to make mods then release the mods to the public.

    There is no harm or discomfort caused by a forum section, maybe nestled under works in progress, that does not populate the recent thread log for all forum users.



  • @DarthPungz said in Feedback required: Rule change regarding showcasing mods not for 5Mods:

    many people who make paid mods also make free mods

    i am one of them ;) i do the mods i like for free and the mods/mod tutorials people asking me for, for a little donation. but still would prefer the new rule/guidline



  • @all thank you for all your previous posts and opinions and that we can discuss finally about our different opinions without hate and with respect to the other person, not like in previous threads. i really appreciate that. THANK YOU :thumbsup:


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    @Dark0ne said in Feedback required: Rule change regarding showcasing mods not for 5Mods:

    The rule I would like to add to the site is thus:

    "Users should only advertise, showcase or otherwise promote their work and/or services if the product of that work is fully intended to be released on 5Mods within a reasonable time frame. To clarify, timed exclusives for Patreon backers are acceptable, but you must intend to (and actually) release your mod on 5Mods after that timed exclusive period is over, and that timed exclusive period should be no more than 1 month. If you are unsure of whether you can or will upload your work to 5Mods once it's finished then do not showcase it until you are sure."

    I support your proposed rule change.

    Thank you for your open dialogue approach!



  • The time limit for a mod is kinda dependent in what kind of mod it is though.

    looks at my Beast and USS Nathan James thread
    Ahem .

    Anyway, if it is just a converted car, I don't see how it should take longer than a month Really, unless there is reason behind it (eg absence because of real life issues).
    But since GTS has been mentioned, lets take a look there.
    In the beginning, I believe the initial release wasn't meant to be nearly as stuffed with content as the current release. While the thread went on not only have users posted suggestions or ideas, it also made more people join the project, thus following it to progress even further.
    I think that the time limit can't be generalized there.


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    @SkylineGTRFreak

    But if I read correctly he is any saying this new rule applies to mods that are paid for mods...

    So like my F-5E WIP that has lagged into like 8 months :poodle: wouldn't be an issue since I am not advertising it as a paid mod.

    I think he means you advertise a paid mod, it has to come to the site for free within a month.



  • @DarthPungz I should have Read better

    "If you are unsure of whether you can or will upload your work to 5Mods once it's finished then do not showcase it until you are sure"

    I somehow read this wrong. Nevermind then :D


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    @DarthPungz said in Feedback required: Rule change regarding showcasing mods not for 5Mods:

    I think he means you advertise a paid mod, it has to come to the site for free within a month.

    I mean if you make your mod a timed Patreon-exclusive, that exclusive time frame should be no more than 1 month.

    I do not mean you should not post any WIP photos unless it will be released on 5Mods within a month. If you plan to release your mod on the internet, for free, then it doesn't matter how long it will take and how far along you are on your progress.


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