Feedback required: Rule change regarding showcasing mods not for 5Mods
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@FoxtrotDelta LOL, isn't that why there's like 10 moderators here? I see mods getting delayed because of no screenshots, so how did it get approved then?
The main site is visited by a lot of people, and if you want to stop people from showcasing patreon only mods, you can't just add these rules to the forum.
I understand you upload patreon only mods and this sucks for you a bit, but if showcasing patreon only mods is prohibited, it should be prohibited, forum or main site.
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@FoxtrotDelta You are talking to me man, I know what being a moderator is like.
Anyway I'm not trying to start an argument with you, I just pointed out a mod with a video which isn't appropriate. Moderators will decide what will happen to the video.
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@FoxtrotDelta OK now this is going off-topic.
Like I said, moderators will decide what should happen, now we should let others post their opinion and stop derailing the thread. Have a nice day/night!
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The mod that posted an explicit video containing VIP mod advertising on a free mod posted to the main site is being moderated.
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@FoxtrotDelta I know, people add videos to mod pages, and I'm sure there are thousands of them in the main site right now,and it'll be a nightmare to check them all. But at least we can check out what videos the mod author uploads.
And speaking about the forum, I think the current decision is good. And if you (not just you, the whole lot of modders) make HQ mods with minimum bugs, people will check out your patreon page regularly, and you won't even have to post here. I know a few people who never post their patreon mods here, but gets a good number of supporters for each mod they rig.
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@Dark0ne Personally I think the fair thing to do is make a category for Patreon-subscriber-only-mods. It separates the free stuff from the paid stuff. Nothing like getting really excited about a mod, only to read somewhere in the description "patreon users only download". Personally, I would take it a step further by not even allowing it here at all, but a dedicated category, is the best compromise I would tolerate if it were my site. Hopefully you will see the value in my suggestion.
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@eshenk Patreon-only mods aren't allowed. They are only allowed as an "early-access" thing, and only if you will release the mod on 5mods after a 1 month period.
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@FoxtrotDelta it will be a rule in the near future, and I was also talking about the current discussion.
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@AHK1221 I just looked at foxtrot delta's patreon page - first time I looked at any really. I have absolutely no problem with the way in which he is doing it. I very well see the reasoning for him doing so, as long as the quality matches R* for the money he is asking - dials work, hands on wheel, proper collisions, breaking windows, LODs. I looked at some of his work, and I don't doubt for a minute you are buying high-quality work. I still think a category for patreon-based work, would be a really good idea.
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@eshenk You did say that you would not allow it all here on the site in your post though. I talked to Dark0ne about this idea (DarthPungz also had this idea before) and he was skeptical about it.
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@AHK1221 I did say that but also said I could compromise on a unique category for it too. After considering the fact that foxtrotdelta has shared so much free stuff, I see that there can still be benefits for all parties involved.
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@AHK1221 said in Feedback required: Rule change regarding showcasing mods not for 5Mods:
@eshenk Patreon-only mods aren't allowed. They are only allowed as an "early-access" thing, and only if you will release the mod on 5mods after a 1 month period.
@AHK1221 said in Feedback required: Rule change regarding showcasing mods not for 5Mods:
@FoxtrotDelta it will be a rule in the near future, and I was also talking about the current discussion.
All of this is undecided... That what this thread is for discussing. I might happen to become a rule but you should not say "it will be a rule in the near future."
@AHK1221 said in Feedback required: Rule change regarding showcasing mods not for 5Mods:
@eshenk You did say that you would not allow it all here on the site in your post though. I talked to Dark0ne about this idea (DarthPungz also had this idea before) and he was skeptical about it.
Hearsay. Dark0ne has not made up his mind. That is why he has created this thread to gather the wider community's thoughts on the matter. If he wishes to express his skepticism he doesn't need a third party.
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I agree. With the caveat that the posts in that sub-section, nested under Works in Progress, do not populate the recent posts notification stream unless a user chooses to follow a thread or user explicitly.
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Yeah, allowing them to exist but in their own category so they don't act as clickbaity stuff, sounds like a neat rule.
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It's now Friday and I want to thank everyone for their feedback over this period. I'm currently extremely busy but I wanted to pop in here to say that I am going to go ahead with this rule change. I do not have time to update the relevant stickies/site rules (if any admin or moderator would like to do so, please go ahead). I'm making a slight change to the rule to avoid confusion and the final rule is as follows:
Users should only advertise, showcase or otherwise promote their work and/or services if the product of that work is fully intended to be released on 5Mods. To clarify, timed exclusives for Patreon backers are acceptable, but you must intend to (and actually) release your mod on 5Mods after that timed exclusive period is over, and that timed exclusive period should be no more than 1 month. If you are unsure of whether you can or will upload your work to 5Mods once it's finished then do not showcase it until you are sure.
In regards to setting up a separate section on the forums where people who are paywalling their work can still showcase and discuss them, I will admit that I have some serious trepidation in regards to allowing this. First and foremost, I am very confident that at least some of the work that is being paywalled is being done so illegally -- users are buying models from other websites which they are then turning into mods for GTA 5 that they are charging money for, without the license for that paid model allowing them to do this. To be clear; if the license of the models you're paying for does not specifically allow you to earn royalties from your work, you should not be charging for them in any way, shape or form. Worse still are people who are ripping assets from other games or software and are charging money for them. This is most definitely illegal.
On a personal level, I don't have a horse in that race and ergo I'm not particularly fussed. Having said that, 5Mods is now my responsibility and if 5Mods is seen to endorse or promote this sort of illegal (or even potentially illegal) activity then that puts 5Mods at risk. That's obviously not OK. I can tell you now that we most definitely do not allow anything like this on Nexus Mods, nor would I.
Trying to work out which users are creating legitimate, legal paywalled content and which users aren't is a moderation and administration quagmire that I'm not sure we really want to be touching in any way, shape or form. We're talking moderators having to get access to paywalled mods, finding the source of assets, acquiring the license agreements for said assets and assessing whether the author actually can paywall their content or not before we let their work be showcassed on 5Mods -- for absolutely no gain for 5Mods itself. I'm really not sure it's worth it.
5Mods itself currently has a lot of this questionable content on the site, some of which likely can fall under fair use, some probably not, and when we receive DMCA takedown notices we action them instantly and respectfully. The legal issue is amplified by many orders of magnitude when actual money is involved and it's something we really should not be touching unless we want to risk losing everything because of it.
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@FoxtrotDelta said in Feedback required: Rule change regarding showcasing mods not for 5Mods:
@Dark0ne cool so if we have license and permission from websites like hum3d and squir turbosquid.com and they agree for us to make mods and distribute as paid content , we can show case em here right ?
No, sorry Foxtrot, that's not what I said at all. Please re-read what I wrote.
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