GTA V is a CPU hog like never witnessed in any other game
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About 2 weeks ago, I installed some PC-monitoring software to keep tabs on how my hardware were performing while playing GTAV, and was horrified to find my CPU temps were shooting through the roof nearly at all times. This particular game, of all games played to date, is the most CPU intensive game I have ever played.
I HIGHLY recommend everyone to get some PC monitoring software, and configure it to display at least CPU temps and consumption. Your PC might be under duress without you even knowing it, such as has been the case with me. There seems to be an optimization issue, that is causing higher than normal everything. On the Pause menu, I am consistently seeing upwards of 50% consumption - no way should this be a thing on a pause menu - along with temps pushing into the 70s - all this on just the pause menu. This is what I mean when I say poorly optimized....WTF could possibly warrant such a high consumption when the only thing that damn CPU had to do was execute the code to bring up the menu, play background music, and make your blip blink? 50% of the total power of my CPU just to do that?!?
Of course, once you unpause it only takes a short while before CPU temps are already into the 90 - 95 range. Increasing speed of fans, and undervolting the core offset did NOTHING to change a thing. Don't trust that everything must be ok just because your game is stable. Why didn't my game crash when I reached 95C? It just kept playing, and I never saw the CPU throttle back to lower the temp at all. Just some sage words of caution here. If you have a load of ymaps as I do, you especially want to check into this.
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I always considered it heavy on the CPU. I have a razer blade 2017 1060 with 6+ GB of Vram, and a CPU that over-clocks itself to 4.0 when needed.
- With games like BF1 or a heavily modded Skyrim(2k+1080p textures) my computer would ramp up, but it remained relatively cool and steady throughout all my playthroughs with all the settings maxed out. Gta 5 however is a monster to deal with at times. In regular unmodded playthroughs, my blade heats up to the point that i feel the keys start burning a little, and the power button is painful to touch for more than a few seconds. The game is seriously intensive on even my hardware, much more so than many other triple a titles.
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@Buuhan But the pause menu is raising doubts - is that real? Never seen anything like it. FO4 does NOT have the issues as described above. It seems my i-7 4790k is just NOT enough to do what my modded GTA V wants from it. I have dcreased the base frequency, decreased core offset, while increasing the speed of fans to 100% as soon as the temps reach 60C, and it seems to matter nothing. If I can't figure out how to get this under control, it will force me to leave GTA V once and for all.
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@eshenk - It might be, there could be processes that the game keeps alive during the use of the pause menu.
- Honestly you might be facing the same issue i am since both our CPU's have the same upper tier speed. Try using software that takes load off the CPU, or maybe try decreasing distance scaling. Check reddit for some answers, usually i find a lot of help there. What GPU are you running?
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@Buuhan I am running a nVidia 1070 FE with 16 Gb of sys memory. Remarkably, I have never seen more than 3.5 Gb of memory being used at any time, mostly stays in the high 2 range. I just discovered I had three internal fans that were not plugged into the MOBO. I connected all three fans and pushed the fan speeds up, and as woefully expected, no change in base temperature which averages around 45C. I decreased the frequency multipliers for all four cores to 4000 and decreased core offset voltage to -.20, yet base temp remain s the same. I ran torture test with prime95 which I ended up shutting down after 5 minutes because the temps started reaching as high as 95C - I was hoping CPU would throttle down. I just don't know what to do anymore. All the google and youtube searches gives me things to try, but they never really produce the results I am looking for.
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@eshenk if you're complaining of temp and in same time running increased ped/traffic density with retexture mod (maybe graphic mod too ? ) make no sens
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@Shaezbreizh Does THIS look normal to you?!?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1w6mukT_z508E6foW126SXWqyOMUV6VPj/view?usp=sharing
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@eshenk Was the screenshot quality bad or your game really look like it? :D
Jokes aside, I agree with your point, GTA V is defiantly CPU intensive game, but at the same time, I had to say, it is one of the brilliantly optimized game so far. If you wish, try Watchdogs or any of the Ubisoft's big title. The poorly optimized game looks something like those.
P.S. I use SpeedFan for as temp gauge, and it usually hits around 75-80 Celsius while playing the game, every-setting on Mid.
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@eshenk Gta seems to be one of the games that places burdens on the CPU as opposed to using the GPU to its max potential. For now i would tinker with the settings to get a few different results.
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@Buuhan GTA V is a different kinda game here. Is there any other game out there where props are in one place at one time, and not appearing there another time? Peds are wearing different clothes at varying times - this is new stuff here, and of course requires more CPU computing. I have increased traffic densities and lots of ymaps - all this pushing the CPU even more. Yesterday I did manage a 20 minute play-through where CPU maxed around 87C which was a first for me so far. The issue seems to be cooling/ Base temp is already 46-47C just sitting on the desktop after a reboot. So if it is already pushing 50C, I think we all know what to expect by the time I am loaded up into a game. Trying so hard to get that base temp to the low 30s at least, but all eforts have been fruitless.
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@eshenk said in GTA V is a CPU hog like never witnessed in any other game:
@Buuhan GTA V is a different kinda game here. Is there any other game out there where props are in one place at one time, and not appearing there another time? Peds are wearing different clothes at varying times - this is new stuff here, and of course requires more CPU computing. I have increased traffic densities and lots of ymaps - all this pushing the CPU even more. Yesterday I did manage a 20 minute play-through where CPU maxed around 87C which was a first for me so far. The issue seems to be cooling/ Base temp is already 46-47C just sitting on the desktop after a reboot. So if it is already pushing 50C, I think we all know what to expect by the time I am loaded up into a game. Trying so hard to get that base temp to the low 30s at least, but all eforts have been fruitless.
Having a strange sense of deja-vu about this topic.
At any rate, as mentioned before, my modest i7 6700K runs 25C-32C idle, and stays in the low 70C when under (sustained) full load.
What you need is a good aftermarket cooler. Stock is crap. Personally, I have a be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 on it, which is not only supersilent, but cools like crazy. Aftermarket coolers are like speakers in a stereo set: don't skimp out on them!
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@Shaezbreizh said in GTA V is a CPU hog like never witnessed in any other game:
@eshenk if you're complaining of temp and in same time running increased ped/traffic density with retexture mod (maybe graphic mod too ? ) make no sens
I mentioned this to him earlier.
Still, higher population densities will make a difference, I'm sure, but the fact remains that, regardless of GTA V, one should always have one's system in order, so as to where it can do 100% load, and not overheat. Ultimately, this is not a GTA V issue.
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@meimeiriver said in GTA V is a CPU hog like never witnessed in any other game:
At any rate, as mentioned before, my modest i7 6700K runs 25C-32C idle, and stays in the low 70C when under (sustained) full load.
What you need is a good aftermarket cooler. Stock is crap. Personally, I have a be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 on it, which is not only supersilent, but cools like crazy. Aftermarket coolers are like speakers in a stereo set: don't skimp out on them!
Agree 100% dude, Cooling is prolly the most important upgrade you can make.
Stock cooler is always a bad idea if you're doing any kind of gaming. Well unless you got a Ryzen and then the stock wraith coolers are pretty good - but i'd still change it lol. I use a Cooler Master Hyper 212x evo which for my modest FX8320 (*edit oops forgot my cpu isn't as good as I thought - ryzen on the way soon tho) is good enough and keeps my cpu @ 27 deg base and around 65 - 70 when gaming. So @Eshenk if you're cpu is already at 50 degrees when idling something ain't right.
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@eshenk said in GTA V is a CPU hog like never witnessed in any other game:
If you have a load of ymaps as I do, you especially want to check into thi
I'm willing to bet 'a load of ymaps' will hardly make any difference. Ymaps work with streaming extends min/max values for a reason! (So as not to put undue stress on our system when we're out of scope; and to simply ensure we're not constantly running out of resources). The game is designed that way for good reason.
Traffic/ped densities, OTOH, will likely make a huge difference, CPU-load wise. The game just usurps a lot of CPU, regardless, though. But, like I said, that should normally not be an issue (heat-wise). I'd say, if you're spending, like, what, $1,000 on a computer, spend another $50 on a decent cooler.
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@eshenk well seeing how the game file are surcharged already in ton of useless giga of texture, + increase traffic densities mod, + a lot of ymap ( if there is a tree map mod then just remove it for better perf cause they don't have vlow LoD mostly) + retexture mod etc then yeah that normal
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Ofcourse gta v is a cpu intensive game.. it has a huge map, with incredible details. The world doesn't despawn or unload when you are in the pause menu, which is why cpu load remains high. Think of the amount of processing that is going on with all the AI cars, peds, weather and time,...etc... It's logic that a laptop cpu is going to get hot
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Ok! Finally managed to get CPU temps down to a manageable level! I achieved this by increasing Fan speeds, dropping the block frequency, and decreasing core voltage offset.
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@eshenk Do any other games push your system like this?
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@Buuhan No. Yesterday, I ditched NVR with ENB and downgraded my cloudhats, which were 4k textures believing it might relieve some pressure on the CPU - to my surprise it had no or little noticeable impact. If you care to, enclosed here I have a video of one of my play-throughs - you can see my CPU performance at top left corner - notice in the beginning temps are pretty reasonable, when shit is chaotic, then once in the air temps start soaring -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VO_9WjAHfcgwoepYxq0A-GJkbPLHM-1U/view?usp=sharing
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@eshenk which vehiclemod is this oldtimer? looks very nice. can you post a link to this mod?
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@eshenk Yeah its definitely heating up. Im guessing the game just adds more burden to the CPU as opposed to GPU and as the time adds up it becomes detrimental to the temps.
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Just think, GTAV is a game with AI for every NPC in the map, that needs CPU power all the time. GPU only takes care about graphics, rendering and some small operations like IK and physics for vertex and pixel shaders.
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@Rarefacer You! What YOU said is close to the truth. I am still troubleshooting this. I hate to do this, but I think the best way to get behind why this is a thing for me, is to go back to vanilla, and then test and compare.
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@Buuhan said in GTA V is a CPU hog like never witnessed in any other game:
@eshenk Yeah its definitely heating up. Im guessing the game just adds more burden to the CPU as opposed to GPU and as the time adds up it becomes detrimental to the temps.
It's not that simple, my friend.
Your GPU, in such a constricted housing, will heat up the innards of your laptop too -- and, thus, over time, have a rather negative (and inevitable) effect on your CPU temps as well: there's simply not enough flow/space going on in a laptop to dissipate that much heat properly. I don't think laptops are really meant for heavy gaming to start with.
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@meimeiriver said in GTA V is a CPU hog like never witnessed in any other game:
@Buuhan said in GTA V is a CPU hog like never witnessed in any other game:
@eshenk Yeah its definitely heating up. Im guessing the game just adds more burden to the CPU as opposed to GPU and as the time adds up it becomes detrimental to the temps.
It's not that simple, my friend.
Your GPU, in such a constricted housing, will heat up the innards of your laptop too -- and, thus, over time, have a rather negative (and inevitable) effect on your CPU temps as well: there's simply not enough flow/space going on in a laptop to dissipate that much heat properly. I don't think laptops are really meant for heavy gaming to start with.I definitley get where you coming from, but i own a razer blade. My laptop literally runs as a high end gaming peripheral on command. The weird thing i notice is that on long sessions of say BF1, modded Skyrim, Witcher 3(with NVidia Hairworks), and a few other triple a titles; my laptop will get hot, but it will remain at a safe enough temp to operate any of keys or buttons without burning. Gta 5 usually pushes past that barrier and enters the higher heated zones. I can see the point your making, and i i think its simply because laptops are designed with the idea that the GPU will be utilized more so than the CPU hence them getting better cooling. Gta 5 seems to just ask a lot more out of my CPU as opposed to GPU. It dedicates more tasks to the former as opposed to the latter.
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