Discussions regarding "Radio station mods, copyrighted music and moderation"
These posts were moved from the Announcements topic "Radio station mods, copyrighted music and moderation" due to them not being in the spirit of what the topic is for, which is for questions about the situation (and because some of them are rude or political).
" I know this is a borderline controversial stance, because it sucks either way, but the whole community should not be penalized because some users have liberal feelings about copyrights. As I've said, the moderators and site owners have no choice."
How is that a liberal attitude? So if I don't agree I am suddenly a liberal, get out of here with that shit. If push comes to shove, GTA-5 mods could just move their modding site to the deep-web. Many sites that were seized have done this in the past and still exist and flourish to this day. This is what I meant by the content can be re-uploaded anywhere. You Cannot Physically Control The Internet, It is impossible! Plus these companies use DMCAs to scare people, they rarely act on them. I got plenty of DMCAs against much of the content I had on Mediafire and my account never got banned. Don't tell us that our complaints are hurting the community, the DMCAs are to blame for hurting the community. The whole community shouldn't have to go through this crap in the first place. If copyright laws were made right, they wouldn't be leaking into content that shouldn't be touched. Like I said before, we are not breaking copyright laws by uploading compressed rpf files. The people who extract the rpf file as mp3s are breaking the law by uncompressing the mod files. I cannot control what my downloading users do with my mods files, and neither can these companies with their shitty DMCAs.
"I talked about the uploading of playlists to YouTube as hypothetically "more" ethical solution because it generates some revenue, but when you remove it from that sphere, of YouTube, you've taken their ability to control the content - that is theirs, btw - away."
The license holders have sold us the right to use GTA V. We already can control their content! We have all of the files. I am not creating these mods in the name of piracy. I am creating them to make an awesome game more awesome by adding more music. If the user decides to use my mod files by extracting the rpf in the name of piracy, I cannot control that. Why should I take the blame and be called a pirate and be told that I have made a copyright infringement when the users are the ones breaking the law? Seems pretty bullshit to me.
"When it stays up they don't just "demonetize" your video, they take the money it would generate, even if you were savvy enough not to monetize it to begin with. However, they can't force a commercial to play every time someone uses your radio mod, so that kind of automation is not available to them, even if they'd choose to use it, and the ones who have have chosen. So because 5-mods doesn't have the kind of pull, or resources, money, or clout as YouTube (FUCKING GOOGLE), if you're saying to yourself right now "If they can't police every little infraction then we can post whatever we want" you're missing that if 5-mods doesn't demonstrate an effort to curb illegal content then they are liable. "
Why should those pieces of crap be making money off of my mod? Did they go through the hard work of getting these radio station mods to work? I don't think so. They don't deserve anything, I made the mod and if I want to share it with the modding community I should be able to do so as I see fit. It's a little something called intellectual property, it was my idea to make the mod and I carried it out with my own valuable time. I don't want to make money off of these mods because I choose to be an active member of the modding community and not a greedy little shit. I don't see how GTA 5 mods is liable for that, the users that blatantly uncompress these mod files are to blame and should be liable. Because they are not using the mod content as it is intended to be used, they are the real pirates here.
@HarleyQuinnSquad You don't know what the word "liberal" means
@futurestoryteller You don't know what the word Intellectual Property means! But seriously, don't make this a political issue. (Liberal vs. Conservative) Its not that big of a deal man. Its f'ing mods for christ sake.
@HarleyQuinnSquad Well, technically it is a political issue, whether you like it or not, but I digress. I fully comprehend that the substance of this conversation is not about politics. That's not... my problem....
@futurestoryteller It may be a political issue for other media like movies and video games, but I highly doubt that it is for mods.The fact is that I have my own rights as a content creator. I also have my fair use rights when making mods like these and it does classify within my rights to do so. I also have intellectual property which is defined as:
"refers to creations of the mind, such as inventions; literary and artistic works; designs; and symbols, names and images used in commerce.
IP is protected in law by, for example, patents, copyright and trademarks, which enable people to earn recognition or financial benefit from what they invent or create. By striking the right balance between the interests of innovators and the wider public interest, the IP system aims to foster an environment in which creativity and innovation can flourish."
If my rights are infringed by these DMCAs, we lose all creativity with the mods that we create, which is wrong.
So whether you like it or not, it is fully within my own rights to make my own ideas into mods for a game that I have legally purchased. There is no political issue that needs to be discussed, period.
@HarleyQuinnSquad Again, the issue at hand, regarding the word "liberal" is with you not understanding the definition. Which seems to be an emerging problem altogether. We would not be discussing politics in any way if it weren't for that.
Also I'm not going to go too far into it, because it's a little like talking to a wall, but your interpretation of intellectual property is completely one sided. As demonstrated by this quote
Why should those pieces of crap be making money off of my mod? Did they go through the hard work of getting these radio station mods to work? I don't think so. They don't deserve anything, I made the mod and if I want to share it with the modding community I should be able to do so as I see fit. It's a little something called intellectual property
Let me attempt a transference, from the point of view of... any musician whose music you're using.
"Why should those pieces of crap get to take my song and giving it away to other people? Did they go through the hard work of writing, composing, editing, slaving away at a console - losing their voice in the studio, trying to make amazing music? I don't think so. They don't deserve anything. I made my music and if I don't want to share it with the modding community. I should be able to do with it as I see fit. It's a little something called intellectual property"
Yeah. That's their argument, you should not be able to make it back at them, because your rights, as much as reasonably possible, are not supposed to conflict with everyone else's rights, because a paradox of rights is by definition impossible to settle. If you're confused why their argument is considered legally valid and yours isn't, consider where you are in the sequence.
"Again, the issue at hand, regarding the word "liberal" is with you not understanding the definition. Which seems to be an emerging problem altogether. We would not be discussing politics in any way if it weren't for that."
Are you kidding me dude? You are the one that brought up this liberal bullshit, not me. Get your liberal ass out of here, don't blame me for your ignorance.
"Let me attempt a transference, from the point of view of... any musician whose music you're using. Yeah. That's their argument, you should not be able to make it back at them, because your rights, as much as reasonably possible, are not supposed to conflict with everyone else's rights, because a paradox of rights is by definition impossible to settle. If you're confused why their argument is considered legally valid and yours isn't, consider where you are in the sequence."
clap clap So original . Twisting my own words against me, talk about a liberal attitude. GTFO if you are going to just be a troll. The fact of the matter is this, I'm still going to keep making mods no matter what you say. So you are wasting your breath. Like I said before, I will just re-upload my mods somewhere else if I get too many issues with them here on GTA 5 mods. No one is going to stop me from uploading them somewhere else where they actually defend fair use and intellectual property.
"Also I'm not going to go too far into it, because it's a little like talking to a wall, but your interpretation of intellectual property is completely one sided. As demonstrated by your quote"
I find your comments about copyrights extremely one sided. Not once have you mentioned the ridiculous DMCAs against mods, because frankly I think you don't care about the modding community and the bullshit we are currently going through. Since you are so stubborn, niave and clueless, you might as well talk to a wall then. Then when it doesn't agree with you (which is yourself, because you will be talking to yourself in your own head since you are a crazy and illogical liberal), you can bash your head though the wall in frustration when you have no one to talk to. Meanwhile I will still be making fun, entertaining, and creative mods for the modding community. Have fun!
Stop being rude. He's trying to explain to you why copyrights, the DMCA, etc, exist; he's explaining it from the musician's POV. You're just being ignorant, rude, and you keep pushing the political stance.
This isn't "bullshit" at all. The musicians own the music, they can do with it what they like! Just like you can do anything with any mods you make from scratch, or with ANYTHING you make from scratch. They own the content, and when you "buy" the music, you are buying a license to listen to that music, not share it to everybody online for free. Doing so makes you a pirate.
I don't want to see any more rude or political posts from you.
@Jitnaught I love how YOU and only YOU get to decide what's "rude".. IMHO you have no clue what rude is. you're just a thin-skinned kid who has obviously been sheltered. let people talk. be honest. sometimes feelings get hurt when you're being honest. but don't worry, they're just words and can't do any physical damage. you'll be OK.
@8541ss Sorry, being offensive (a.k.a. "rude") is against the rules. You can be honest without being rude or offensive.
@Jitnaught right ? still doesn't explain how YOU and only YOU get to arbitrarily decide what's rude or what isn't ? You yourself are constantly rude in the form of being snarky. you know it and so does everyone else. I think it's not so much what is "rude" it's just stuff you personally don't like. it's ok though. guys like you inevitably take care of themselves. counting the days until you eventually shoot yourself in the foot.
Who ever said it's only me who decides? If my superiors (the admins) don't think it was rude and told me to not warn users about posts like that then I wouldn't. Sure, you would be correct that I warn about posts I personally don't like, because I don't like rude, offensive, or general rule-breaking posts.
@Jitnaught you have a strong future with the DNC. personally I think your rude as hell, but that's OK, because you're a mod, the rules don't apply to you. like I said, "smart" guys like you always end up doing themselves in. I have a lot of patience and when the day comes that your shenanigans blow up in your face, I hope I get to watch it unfold.
Nice, political and rude.
The rules do apply to me. If I'm breaking them, I will be warned by my superiors just like every other user, or removed as moderator.
If you'd like to continue this conversation, shoot me a PM, as this has no relevance with this topic. You can also report me to my superiors for breaking the rules if you want.
@Jitnaught Sorry, things did get a little heated. Didn't mean to sound rude, its just some people are trolls and just copy and paste my own words instead of making their own stance and views. They would rather fire back like a 3 year old and not give an accurate explanation and just throw my own words back in my face. But for the record futurestoryteller started the political discussion. He was calling all of us "liberal" for even talking about these DMCAs, which is wrong. Here is a quote from futurestoryteller that started it:
"I know this is a borderline controversial stance, because it sucks either way, but the whole community should not be penalized because some users have liberal feelings about copyrights. As I've said, the moderators and site owners have no choice"
I wasn't trying to be political at all, I was just responding back to him. But this whole discussion is a waste of time anyways. People will decide to make their mods no matter what, even if they have to re-upload them elsewhere. But I guarantee I won't have music that is copyrighted in any of my mods. I will be releasing content that is strictly from GTA when it comes to music. But that still doesn't mean I agree with the DMCAs at all.
@8541ss Thanks for backing me up. But I was being a little rude. I shouldn't have used such explicit language. But trolls just piss me off, that's all. Don't worry, GTA based music mods and radio stations are still allowed. So I will be making some more in the future. So at least we still have those mods to look forward to.
some people are trolls and just copy and paste my own words instead of making their own stance and views.
He wasn't trolling you. He rewrote your words so you could understand the musician's POV - so you could understand why copyrights and the DMCA exist.
They would rather fire back like a 3 year old and not give an accurate explanation and just throw my own words back in my face
Judging by what I read, I think you were the one acting childish. He answered you calmly and tried to help you understand, but you ignored all of his words because you think he's a troll.
But for the record futurestoryteller started the political discussion. He was calling all of us "liberal" for even talking about these DMCAs, which is wrong.
He may have started it, but you pushed it more than he did. He wasn't calling "all of us" liberal, and he certainly didn't call "all of us" liberal because we talked about the DMCA.
He may have started it, but you pushed it more than he did.
I can't believe I have to do this... I avoided it out of a misplaced faith in humanity in general.
Definition of "liberal" for Students
1 : not stingy : generous
- She made a liberal donation.
2 : not strict
- That's a liberal interpretation of the rule.
@futurestoryteller Sorry for the misunderstanding. I guess I've read the word written by more people who did intend it to be political than otherwise.
@futurestoryteller You know you could have said that before. But its all water under the bridge. Sorry I overreacted, I thought you meant something political too.
@HarleyQuinnSquad Not to be rude myself, but I did say you didn't understand the definition, several times. I find the over-prevalence of this misinterpretation (which is not to imply there is no political definition) to be positive evidence of negative propagandism: the very word "liberal" is triggering to many people, as are many useful words and phrases politically associated with it... but that's all a conversation for a different board.
@futurestoryteller Well, I thought you meant liberal like a liberal political party or liberal views. Actually, there are a lot of definitions for liberal, including one that implies someone has liberal views in politics: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberal
When used in the wrong context they can mean something totally different. But no hard feelings man, it was my fault for misunderstanding you the whole time.
@futurestoryteller nice definition. it's difficult conversing with people who are more interested in the words than the actual message. this website has definitely decreased my "faith in humanity". it's difficult dealing with individuals who have this derangement syndrome .
@8541ss That's why I called futurestoryteller a troll. He didn't address what he meant multiple times and then tells me that I don't know what liberal means. Yeah I don't know what he means by liberal because he never told us until now. I don't know why he even brought up the "faith in humanity" insult, I am sorry if I cannot understand your out of context speeches. There are like 8 definitions for the word liberal. I mean common futurestoryteller, show us some context next time.
@HarleyQuinnSquad hahaha it doesn't help when the mods keep moving the goalposts as to what's "rude" or "political". oh well, children and thier drama I guess.