Discussions regarding "Radio station mods, copyrighted music and moderation"
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Since when are mods political?
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@SLY95ZER I have no idea. futurestoryteller had the brilliant idea of using liberal out of context and I thought he was calling everybody liberal for complaining about the DMCAs. So no real conversations were made. The fact remains that these DMCAs are uncalled for.
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@HarleyQuinnSquad hahaha that's OK man. jtnaught or whatever her name is called me out for being political because I said " you have a strong future with the DNC" so I guess that's "political".. most of the mods here are like the kids who got beat up in school. they run and tell the teacher on you.
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The fact remains that these DMCAs are uncalled for.
That would be your opinion, not a fact.
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@Jitnaught nope. fact.
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@Jitnaught No, actually it is a fact because people are TIRED of these stupid DMCAs. How long are you going to defend these obvious attempts at scaring the modding community? How long are you going to defend this injustice? I am sick and tired of having to fit inside someone else's mold and being expected to conform and give in to corrupt laws that damage creativity and personal intellectual property. When will you learn that these DMCAs won't stop until ALL of the mods on GTA 5 mods will be considered copyright infringement? Because it all starts with one little mod and then explodes into total chaos. I also love it when I can't downvote your posts. Just because I don't have a high enough reputation shouldn't mean that I can't downvote you. Is that intentional? Because it is bullcrap that I cannot downvote such a meaningless post.
@8541ss Thanks. At least someone is speaking up and defending our fair use rights and intellectual property. It is a fact that people don't have the time to put up with this crap. The truth is, GTA 5 mods should stand up and defend the modding community instead of being terrified from these fake DMCAs. How about we all grow a set and stand up for what we believe in. Only then will change occur, just like the revolution in 1776 that sparked our great country! Rise up against the tyrrany!
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@HarleyQuinnSquad
You should look up the definition of fact and opinion.
I'm getting sick and tired of your ranting about injustice and how much you dislike DMCA and copyrights. Topic locked.
I don't know of any limitation of downvoting moderators' posts, but I guess it's possible NodeBB was set up so moderators' posts couldn't be downvoted. I just tested downvoting another moderator's post and it worked, but it could be different for me since I'm a moderator myself.
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@Jitnaught awwww, you deleted my comments, how officious !
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@Jitnaught said in Radio station mods, copyrighted music and moderation:
Topic unlocked and arguments/rants moved to separate topic.
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@Jitnaught why would you remove my comments ? is this censorship ? look at the original thread, look at this one, you purposely deleted my comments. pretty childish.
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@8541ss
And you're purposely doing exactly what I said not to do, which is why I keep moving your posts.@Jitnaught said in Discussions regarding "Radio station mods, copyrighted music and moderation":
@HarleyQuinnSquad @8541ss @futurestoryteller The Announcements topic is now unlocked, but please refrain from arguing, ranting, and making rude or irrelevant posts there. Thank you.
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@Jitnaught I love how you moved our comments to a different topic, but then you locked that topic! How are we supposed to discuss anything when the topic is locked. What kind of logic do you use? I guess we can debate calmly on this topic then, if the one you made for us is locked. We don't have much choice at this point. If you don't want me posting here, then unlock the Discussions regarding "Radio station mods, copyrighted music and moderation" topic here: https://forums.gta5-mods.com/topic/20437/discussions-regarding-radio-station-mods-copyrighted-music-and-moderation/27
Other than that, I will continue to use my right of free speech. For the record my posts weren't rants or rude, you just perceived them to be. Which is rather childish in my eyes. This whole topic is for discussing the DMCAs, you should expect some backlash for not standing up for the modding community. You're lucky you aren't getting even more offensive posts, because to be honest I was holding back, alot. Because frankly this whole situation pisses me off!
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I love how you moved our comments to a different topic, but then you locked that topic!
That topic isn't meant for new discussions, it's meant for preservation and to clean up this topic. It's locked because, like I said earlier, "I'm getting sick and tired of your ranting about injustice and how much you dislike DMCA and copyrights. Topic locked."
I guess we can debate calmly on this topic then
My post above yours says exactly what this topic is for: "This topic is for asking questions about the situtation, not ranting or arguing about it." I consider debating to be apart of "ranting and arguing."
Other than that, I will continue to use my right of free speech.
Freedom of speech only applies to public entities (the government). Private entities (GTA5-Mods) are allowed to do what they please, which means we are allowed to enforce our rules.
For the record my posts weren't rants or rude, you just perceived them to be.
Which is the only thing that matters - how others perceive your words.
If you'd like to discuss this situation with me, PM me, since this discussion is not relevant to what this topic is for: "This topic is for asking questions about the [DMCA] situtation."
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@Jitnaught said in Radio station mods, copyrighted music and moderation:
For the record my posts weren't rants or rude, you just perceived them to be.
Which is the only thing that matters - how others perceive your words.
ok, so what happens when say, 1 person thinks its rude and everybody else is cool with it ? say for instance I have no issue with what Harley said, YOU seem to be the only one "offended" by it.
I know you'll turn this into me being "political", because you seem to be be totally incapable of looking at "X" in more than one way. and your view is very, very narrow. which makes me think of fascism. and I say that only because NOBODY likes that shit. nobody. you wouldn't like it if people jumped your shit on reddit, every time you posted. another example: somebody ( first upload/attempt ) makes a shitty mod that doesn't even rate being called an alpha. hopping on there and putting him on blast "yo yEr ShiT suX" would indeed be rude. fast forward to the same persons 57th upload and it's still the same unfinished trash. it's not rude anymore, it's fact. that being said, always, always be kind to new people or people trying for the first time.
also, there is a LOT of confusion in here due to language. what's funny in America is rude af in Russia. or what's rude in America is cool in England.
you need to settle down. we get it. you're the big bad sheriff of Los Santos. but let's keep in mind we are all here, playing a game where you can beat people to death with a hammer, kill hookers and a myriad of other heinous acts. there are even mods ENHANCING the violence in-game. yet here you are, correcting people on verbage ? huh ? if someone is being a douchecanoe simply for the sake of being a douchecanoe, that's pretty obvious. if some is letting a modder know under no uncertain terms, that thier 57th upload is just as garbage as the first upload ( the one they swore would be updated tomorrow but never was ), that rates a totally different tone and approach.take it from someone who is much older and wiser than you. pick and choose your battles. nobody likes a leader that throws thier weight around arbitrarily ( fascism again, sorry)
a true leader has to take into considerations all points of contact, not just one, single issue. and just because you think something is rude, doesn't mean the rest of the world does. take a step outside your box and look at all angles.
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@8541ss The beginning of this cutscene explains this situation perfectly, Jitnaught is Frank Tennpenny, Dark0ne is Eddie Pulaski. Calm down Tenpenny! LOL :D:
Thanks again for backing me up! I don't have any issues with what you say either.
We are just having a calm discussion. For the record a "debate" is not a rant or arguing. Plus we wouldn't be arguing if Jitnaught would just let the discussion pan out and see where it goes. Because we all know no one is here to ask questions, they want to discuss what is going on.@Jitnaught I don't know why you are the only moderator that feels that he has to explain himself for every line of text that I post here. It is my opinion and I have the right to post how I feel about this topic and forum. If you don't unlock the one you made for the Discussion then I will just post them here. I am not being rude, you are. I don't feel we need to PM each other about this. Because I know you are just going to be more rude and unruly to me in private. So if you want to say something, say it on here in the public forums. So we can all see your corruption of power.
"Freedom of speech only applies to public entities (the government). Private entities (GTA5-Mods) are allowed to do what they please, which means we are allowed to enforce our rules."
That is so wrong!! You need to read up on your constitutional rights, because you clearly don't know them: https://cyber.harvard.edu/ilaw/Speech/
The only free speech that is not allowed are as follows:
- Speech that is likely to lead to imminent lawless action may be prohibited.
- "Fighting words" -- i.e., words so insulting that people are likely to fight back -- may be prohibited.
- Obscenity -- i.e., erotic expression, grossly or patently offensive to an average person, that lacks serious artistic or social value -- may be prohibited.
- Child pornography may be banned whether or not it is legally obscene and whether or not it has serious artistic or social value, because it induces people to engage in lewd displays, and the creation of it threatens the welfare of children.
- Defamatory statements may be prohibited. (In other words, the making of such statements may constitutionally give rise to civil liability.) However, if the target of the defamation is a "public figure," she must prove that the defendant acted with "malice." If the target is not a "public figure" but the statement involved a matter of "public concern," the plaintiff must prove that the defendant acted with negligence concerning its falsity.
- Commercial Speech may be banned only if it is misleading, pertains to illegal products, or directly advances a substantial state interest with a degree of suppression no greater than is reasonably necessary.
My posts on this forum were calm and we were debating whether these DMCAs should be acknowledged or not. I am in my full rights to post my opinion on the matter. You as a moderator cannot take that away from me. This comes from Harvard university so don't even try to say that my words are illrelevant. So please let us discuss this matter on these forums. We are not harming anyone or spamming. We are not being rude at all, you are being ridiculous.
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@ikt We are on topic, but please tell me why we are allowed to be bullied by Jitnaught when we are clearly having a debate over these DMCAs. Then he tells me that I don't have free speech on these forums, which is a load of crap. He gives us our own forum to discuss these DMCAs, then locks it. Please explain to me why these actions are considered civil and allowed. I am accused of being rude, but all I can see is that Jitnaught can't take the truth.
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@HarleyQuinnSquad in the street, you are correct. in here, no. the "owners" can enforce any "law" they want, which is an unfortunate fact of the internet.
in others words, if "X" wants to be a tool and single someone because of perceived "offenses" ( real or imagined ) they can and and in most cases do. and if you make a valid point
or argument, they'll obfuscate, change the issue or circle talk you into exhaustion. orrrr boot you or lock the topic so you are effectively silenced. basically, it's the kid who has no friends, his parents by him something cool that attracts other kids, next thing you know the kid turns into a tyrant making all sorts of ridiculous rules and regs if you want to hang out and play with his new toy. infantilism pure and simple.
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@8541ss Did you see how ikt dodged the question that I asked? They know what they are doing is wrong, they just pretend nothing happened and they get rid of the problem so that other users can't see it. Such bullcrap. But at least we have our own thread now.
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Pretty sure I'll have more success trying to convince a brick wall that the earth is round, but here I go!
We are on topic
The thread was more intended for inquiries but somehow you managed to bend the goalposts to arguing the moral legality of DMCAs.
but please tell me why we are allowed to be bullied by Jitnaught
He's just trying to explain how the status quo is.
when we are clearly having a debate over these DMCAs.
Thus; moving goalposts from the original thread. If it's not clear yet - announcement generally entails more administrative stuff. You could argue that bacteria in toilets also have the right to live, but that won't change the decision from Facilities to clean the toilets.
Then he tells me that I don't have free speech on these forums, which is a load of crap.
This is a private entity. Think of it as a house. I can kick you out of my house if you insult my dog. He's a good boy.
He gives us our own forum to discuss these DMCAs, then locks it.
As explained by Jitnaught before, it was intended as archive, but since you lot can't shut up I'm re-purposing it as discussion thread.
Please explain to me why these actions are considered civil and allowed.
We're moderators and we moderate.
I am accused of being rude, but all I can see is that Jitnaught can't take the truth.
You are rude. If somebody tells you to move your car out of the handicapped parking spot but you keep arguing about what handicapped actually means, that's kinda rude.
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Actually what I was talking about was on topic. futurestoryteller shot us off topic when he made us think that he was calling all of us liberal for complaining about the DMCAs. As for the private entity, you still need to abide by the constitution. I have free speech rights and as long as I am not breaking these rules it is fine to post my opinions on this "forum":
1. Speech that is likely to lead to imminent lawless action may be prohibited. 2. "Fighting words" -- i.e., words so insulting that people are likely to fight back -- may be prohibited. 3. Obscenity -- i.e., erotic expression, grossly or patently offensive to an average person, that lacks serious artistic or social value -- may be prohibited. 4. Child pornography may be banned whether or not it is legally obscene and whether or not it has serious artistic or social value, because it induces people to engage in lewd displays, and the creation of it threatens the welfare of children. 5. Defamatory statements may be prohibited. (In other words, the making of such statements may constitutionally give rise to civil liability.) However, if the target of the defamation is a "public figure," she must prove that the defendant acted with "malice." If the target is not a "public figure" but the statement involved a matter of "public concern," the plaintiff must prove that the defendant acted with negligence concerning its falsity. 6. Commercial Speech may be banned only if it is misleading, pertains to illegal products, or directly advances a substantial state interest with a degree of suppression no greater than is reasonably necessary.Read up on your constitutional rights, just because this is a forum doesn't mean you can spread your communism: https://cyber.harvard.edu/ilaw/Speech/
I find that many of the moderators here are very condescending and outright uncaring for the modding community. You mock, ridicule, and are very rude to new modders and members. You primarily target people who do not agree with your Fascist views and your ideologies, which is wrong. We cannot have a debate if people are not able to share their opinion. This completely destroys the dorum into a one sided rant. Whoever doesn't have the "reputation" is not respected here and I frankly am offended that this community is so toxic. You are moderators, not judges or lawyers.
Who are you to tell me I don't have free speech rights? Stop making stupid metaphors and actually tackle the issue at hand. You are rude and uncaring person, you should be ashamed. Instead of showing me facts that show your side of the discussion you would rather belittle the conversation with your ridiculous metaphors and imagery. If you are not going to be serious then we have nothing to talk about. The fact still stands that these DMCAs are ridiculous and infringe on my fair use rights and intellectual property. This community will not last long if modding freedoms are not protected.
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Insulting other individuals for being fascist or communist does not make your arguments stand taller, if any I consider it rude, maybe count to 10 before posting?
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@ReNNie Why even bother? I can't post until 600 seconds are over anyway. What is this shit?
"ErrorAs a new user, you can only post once every 600 second(s) until you have earned 1 reputation - please wait before posting again"
I'm not even a new user!!! This forum has huge bugs and problems. I am also not able to downvote moderators, which is total garbage. So one-sided and dumb.
If you can't handle the truth, then don't post at all. I am not the only one that feels this way. If moderators are one-sided in their moderating duties, it is not right. That is all I am going to say on the matter for now. I have already wasted enough time arguing about something that shouldn't even be an issue in the first place. I am just glad that GTA radio stations are still allowed.
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@Jitnaught I wonder why. Because futurestoryteller keeps downvoting my comments for no apparent reason. Just because he doesn't agree with me doesn't mean he can downvote them. I downvote people that are just being utterly ridiculous and being a troll. That proves my point that futurestoryteller was a troll in the first place. He wanted that conversation to be out of context. But seriously, why are we even talking about this. I just want to be able to post without waiting forever. I am not a new user, this really sucks.
I have had -1 reputation before and this never happened. One of you moderators have changed something. It was probably you Jitnaught, since you hate me and 8541ss so much. Whatever happened please get rid of this bug, because I am not a new user.
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@HarleyQuinnSquad
Okay, first of all, it's also kinda rude and predictable to call people Nazis.What constitution exactly? Freedom of speech is explicitly in the direction of the government, as in the government should not have the power to censor criticism on its functionality. Unless we somehow govern your life, get over it. Maybe read the thing yourself.
I find that many of the moderators here are very condescending and outright uncaring for the modding community. You mock, ridicule, and are very rude to new modders and members.
Getting to personal attacks now eh? Feel free to browse our posting history.
We cannot have a debate if people are not able to share their opinion.
Uh what do you think you're doing now? The so-called "Freedom of speech" (which does not apply here) does not state or imply people can't argue against you.
Also an easier analogy - you can argue all you want, but if it interrupts public order, law enforcement can still take action to shut you up. Like yelling against your flat at 3am about why parking permits are a bad idea. There's place for discussion, but it might be a good idea to find the right time and place for it.
Whoever doesn't have the "reputation" is not respected here and I frankly am offended that this community is so toxic.
But I don't respect anybody in first place.
You are moderators, not judges or lawyers.
Pretty sure I'm judge, jury, and executioner here.
Who are you
I'm ikt hi.
to tell me I don't have free speech rights?
GTA5-Mods.com is not a U.S. government regulated institution, and as far as I know you aren't banned yet.
Who are you to tell us that the community guidelines do not apply to you?
Stop making stupid metaphors
tbqh i feel they're quite accurate. ball's in your park.
actually tackle the issue at hand
I mailed the MPAA but they didn't reply.
You are rude and uncaring person, you should be ashamed.
Accurate observation
Instead of showing me facts that show your side of the discussion you would rather belittle the conversation with your ridiculous metaphors and imagery.
How are they ridiculous? I thought they were pretty neat
The fact still stands that these DMCAs are ridiculous and infringe on my fair use rights and intellectual property.
Take it to Bill Clinton or whoever's in the Oval office right now, I guess. Last time I heard this guy is quite active on Twitter, so he might be of some help.
This community will not last long if modding freedoms are not protected.
