script hook v critical error can't be fixed
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@PermissionToLand Dude, I own the physical (2015) and also the EGS store (2020) game versions. Having something physically does not make you own the whole content. You only bought the license (and in the case of the physical copy you also paid for the materials used to create it) and because of this if you install GTA V you still need to use the license to be able to play it.
You're not under any circumstance buying the game itself as it can't be sold for just 60€ (or the equivalent price in dollars). It's waaaaaaay more expensive than what you think and you'd be able to pay for it.
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@Reyser @PermissionToLand I own one license but have installed multiple copies. How is this possible if a license is required to play? They can block you from online content, but if you violate the terms of agreement they can't come to your house and take away your copies because you own the copies. What I don't own is the license ability to make a legal profit. That is the only thing a license protects.
If it is a physical object, including one's and zeros, that is on your property, then you own it. The only thing that comes close to the exception is iPhones because you are renting the hardware to run the software. They can take your phone away if requested, but no one is going to take away my copy of gta 5 and that's ownership.
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@Reyser I don't think I could have made it clearer that I'm not arguing buying a CD gives you the intellectual property rights of the product. I stated that in multiple ways.
"You're not under any circumstance buying the game itself as it can't be sold for just 60€ (or the equivalent price in dollars). It's waaaaaaay more expensive than what you think and you'd be able to pay for it."
Are you suggesting that in order to purchase something outright, you must front its entire research and development cost? It costs millions of dollars to design a Honda. I can buy one outright (not lease, no licensing agreement) for $25k. Because R&D is amortized over the course of a production run.
I didn't know there's an activation key for the physical CD copy though (which you could have said in the first place, so I didn't have go searching to find out). Regardless, like I said already about the Steam version, this literally proves my point about diminishing consumer rights. In fact, I looked up the EULA for GTAV and guess what? There's an arbitration clause in it. Those are pretty much the pinnacle of what I'm talking about; consumers' rights to challenge a company in a court of law are now being privatized in a system where the corporate defendant wins 90-some-odd percent of the time. And that's not just part of license agreements, but also employment agreements, meaning employees can't sue their employer in a real court of law, only these kangaroo courts.
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@Anonymoused281 If you disagree, make a counter argument, don't just downvote my comments, that's juvenile.
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@PermissionToLand @Anonymoused281 We got a Downvoter in here lol
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@InfiniteQuestion You can have multiple copies of the game installed but you can just use those that have the license activated.
@PermissionToLand
"Are you suggesting that in order to purchase something outright, you must front its entire research and development cost?"
Obviously no. What I was saying is that you only paid for the use license. The property rights of the game (which we don't have) are a different story that have nothing to do with the research and development costs.Think about it, Rockstar Games still have the right to remove your access to the game by simply invalidating your license. They mainly take blocking measures (which is not revoking a license but restricting you from accessing) in Online as they don't really care about what does people do in Offline mode but still they could do it in offline aswell. If they can do that is because you don't own the game, only the license to use it.
With Windows the same happens. You can use Windows because you own a license but you have no property rights other than that.
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@PermissionToLand said in script hook v critical error can't be fixed:
Are you suggesting that in order to purchase something outright, you must front its entire research and development cost?
With software? Yes, actually. If you want to literally buy the game (as in transfer ownership), be prepared to shell out several billion dollar to Rockstar.
The confusion simply exists because, while we may casually say we 'bought the game,' we really just buy a license to use.
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@Reyser Rockstar can stop a person playing online. They have absolutely no way of preventing me from playing offline, that's why it's called offline. I also think everyone here is arguing about the same thing, just explaining from different angles. From your perspective, there is absolutely zero way that we own anything other than a "right" to play. And you are correct, in the same way that if I don't have access to a physical copy of a game, I can't play a rom through an emulator. Do you know of a single person that would play an snes emulator but care enough about the licence that they only play games they have physically bought? There would be ALOT of games we will never be able to play again because we don't have a licence.
One way or another, every single person on this website will HAVE to make a choice. Either stop playing GTA 5 and obey the licence agreement, or pirate the game and play without restrictions the way the EXE was programed to play. Anyone remember Spore? Always online DRM?
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@Reyser Again, if they have completely barred consumers from even owning the product outright, that is only proving my point.
The Intellectual Property rights of the game have everything to do with the full R&D costs because that's why if you wanted to buy the rights to the Grand Theft Auto franchise, it would cost millions of dollars. That's not at all what I was talking about.
"If they can do that is because you don't own the game, only the license to use it."
Well technically, that only means you're licensing use of the online servers, or even if it applies to offline, then the software. You still own the physical CD and can use it for a scrapbook or something.
I mean, that really is an especially underhanded move; sell you a CD so you think you own it, but in reality that is useless if you need a license to actually run the software. Believe me, I'm familiar with how licensing works, my job requires Adobe software and they are one of the worst when it comes to that stuff.
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@meimeiriver This is like banging my head on a wall. How many times do I have to repeat myself that I am not talking about buying intellectual property rights? I made it very clear I was talking about buying A COPY. Not the trademark and IP rights.
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Hey guys I downloaded the latest scripthook and my game won’t launch now. Ever since the update my game has been messed up.
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@blucker Make a new topic for your issue. Don't hijack a post.
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@Algonquin1234 This is 100% a script hook issue relating to this exact topic....
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@blucker The issue for this topic was that GTA V was updated and that scripthook didn't work because it wasn't compatible with the latest version. It has been updated. This is a total different issue. Make a new topic and wait for help. Don't hijack a post.
