Finally - Quality
I never thought I would see this again. A high quality ped mod, and from @Alex189 for that matter. You'll find it in the player section. Kira, the new mod on the left, and her "big sister" Lara Croft on the right.
It would be great if this could be the standard for quality and inspire new modders not to upload daily garbage just to prove they can.
@JohnFromGWN YEEEE HAAAW!
P.S. Lara, in my opinion, is still the quality standard for GTA5 ped mods. Although not a GTA5 character, she is still lore friendly and beautiful. And best of all she isn't a child ped.
@gtavjamal Perfect song bro.
@JohnFromGWN Their mods "INSPIRE" and "ENCOURAGE" me to make ped mod.
@IAmJFry Why, you disagree?
@schmed I don't get the reference?
@JohnFromGWN I don't know how to say it. But some people giving a garbage 5 star to "encourage", while critics and advise doesn't count as "encouraging" for them because sometimes it gets deleted
@schmed got it. thanks
That’s because those “critics” or “advise” don’t follow the community guidelines. I’ve never seen or heard of a rating with a legitimate criticism getting removed. If the rating/comment got removed, then that’s why.
@JohnFromGWN Yeah that Lara is A+ quality!!
Imho some other honorable mentions...
@schmed you're absolutely right. Negative ratings are often removed, from personal experience. You must provide constructive criticism to support your rating although no examples are proffered and no guidelines are published either. Well none that would categorically define what constitutes rigorously a 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5.
And let's be honest, quality is very subjective of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, one man's trash is another man's treasure.
In the year or so I've been here I may have rated a mod badly 3 or 4 times max. The last time I did, because the anatomy of a pose was physically impossible my rating was quickly removed without a message to that effect.
The added bonus of giving a low rating, with or without constructive criticism as judged subjectively, is that you will be flamed and insulted by the author, his friends, supporters, and similarly minded individuals.
The biggest irony is that 5 star ratings are never removed, don't need to be justified. Doesn't make any sense. I think we agree that the 5 rating is abused, it means perfection to or close to that.
So let's just attribute not giving low ratings as acts of kindness, of community, and as you surmised, encouragement.
I couldn't find any definitions of constructive criticism for this site. Common sense dictates this doesn't entail insulting, denigrating, or disparaging the author directly.
Recently one user commented on how a modder had just stretched the skin over the head of the model in guise of doing proper hair textures. He even provided tips on how to properly texture the hair. The author responded defensively with a personal attack.
"It's important that you interact with users in your comments, however, make sure to follow the community guidelines.. We encourage constructive criticism. Criticism and ratings without constructive feedback are not tolerated and will be removed. If you notice an offending upload or comment, report the offending upload or comment and do not reply to the comment. Replying only makes it worse."
@IAmJFry you can keep downvoting my posts all day long, as long as it brings you some joy.
Well usually when someone someone disagrees with you, there’s this long drawn out argument until someone stops replying or the thread gets closed.
Downvoting is easier so I guess in a way it does. Also helps keep the mods from having to chime in. I’ll give you an upvote on that one though.
@IAmJFry posts are for the purpose of discussion, to exchange ideas, agreements and disagreements.
Would you rather I stop posting anything potentially controversial. Don't know about you but I don't want to limit my posting to replying the same invariable advice, "does your game crash without mods, or just modded?".
The upvote/downvote buttons are also there for a purpose.
Your posts also tend to be very long-winded/reworded repeats of past posts you’ve made “calling out” creators and bashing them which ends up just being you and maybe one or two others just mocking them and in my opinion is the same as a half star rating with a shit comment.
Then your reply about the whole rating thing was also amusing considering your last bad rating was a half star rating and you were just basically laughing at the creator. It’s not Reyser’s fault I reported it as I do many other ridiculous comments/ratings that aren’t contributing to anything other than maybe making themselves feel better.
See. It’s easier for me to just upvote/downvote.
@IAmJFry wow. It took you that long to rope in the admins into this discussion. For your support?
Did you have reasonable grounds for downvoting my post or just because you seem to personally stalk me?
I have no idea what reasonable grounds are and my post, this one, didn't identify any individuals by name.
Personally I find your comments towards me very personal and disrespectful and I wish I could mute or block you.
So instead of downvoting me in every single thread why not just ignore me? I won't stoop low enough to reciprocate by downvoting yours, hopefully I didn’t in the past, because I'm done exchanging with you.
Consider it a victory for yourself.
P.S. this post started out very positively, I mentioned and praised an excellent new mod which I rated a 5.
Once more you turned it into a vitriolic diatribe, once more sucking me into it, but for the last time. You're on symbolic mute.
"In the year or so I've been here I may have rated a mod badly 3 or 4 times max. The last time I did, because the anatomy of a pose was physically impossible my rating was quickly removed without a message to that effect."
We only leave a message when it's strictly necessary and depending on the situation, not before. Sometimes is not necessary and is better to don't leave any. Nothing is black or white in life and that life fact applies to this site moderation aswell.
"The added bonus of giving a low rating, with or without constructive criticism as judged subjectively, is that you will be flamed and insulted by the author, his friends, supporters, and similarly minded individuals."
Whoever insults other users/creators gets moderated no matter what. The rules are there to be respected and the moderators to enforce them and that's what we do.
"The biggest irony is that 5 star ratings are never removed, don't need to be justified. Doesn't make any sense. I think we agree that the 5 rating is abused, it means perfection to or close to that."
Saying that are never removed is completely false. You obviously don't see/notice it but sometimes we do remove them for multiple reasons and which the most common ones usually are that an user used a secondary account to rate his own mod 5 stars or the comment which contains the 5 stars rating is also a rude comment towards other users.
It makes totally sense to don't remove 5 stars ratings even if they don't include constructive feedback. If you rate 5 a mod is because either you like everything on it or whatever you dislike of it is not relevant for you as to rate it lower. For 5 ratings providing constructive feedback is optional because none of us can't know if you liked everything or disliked something unless you say it. The difference between this an lower ratings is that for lower ratings supposedly you have a reason/motivation to provide less than 5 stars. If you don't have a reason to rate it lower, why would you rate it lower or why would you even rate it at all then?
It's common sense and logic, nothing else.
Lastly, I believe I can talk in name of my other teammates (moderators) in general and some site users when I ask you to please stop criticizing the way ratings and comments are being dealt with on the site by us (and yes, I know you didn't start talking about ratings in here yourself first but that doesn't matter as far as you've continued the discussion). At least don't do it in a topic you did create and that has nothing to do with ratings or comments but mod uploads content quality, etc.
If you want to create a new topic about ratings good but stop derailing your topics to that matter unnecessarily.
It's common sense and logic, nothing else.
There are likes and there are ratings. Should we consider them to be the same?
A like is the purest form of subjectivity. For example, you could have a model of Adolf Hitler or Stalin or Bin Laden, assuming for fun it was allowed. Very few people would openly like it given the nature of the model, the subject. So the likes count could be very low.
Personally I don't like to see anime style peds. But if I saw a superbly rigged/textured anime model, I might rate it a 5. Like is not a rating. I really like Lara Croft, but I would not rate a poorly executed Lara with a 5 given the poor quality.
A rating is very different - it is a reflection of the perceived quality of a mod. That model of Adolf Hitler that is superbly created, rigged, and textured could also be rated a 5 (once more if allowed as an upload - and it should NOT). Yet we certainly don't have to like it.
So for me the same logic applies, whether you rate up or down.
Most importantly, the rating system serves to alert other users to possible quality issues. If i see a beautiful vehicle with a 3 rating, due to bugs, I will not download it. With peds, it's not really about bugs. You can see from the pics whether you want it or not.
please stop criticizing the way ratings and comments are being dealt with on the site by us
Done. Will not initiate or, in this case, participate in this type of discussion again, nor get trolled into one. Thank you for at least noticing that i did not initiate these remarks, instead I replied to someone who shared my views.
I will say I'm disappointed that you seem to take this criticism personally, or I could be wrong. It was never meant to target you or any of your colleagues.
I'm sorry for causing this trouble
There are likes and there are ratings. Should we consider them to be the same?
A rating can include (indirectly) a like from the user that post it and we don't even know it unless the user says "like" or "I like it" or something like that in the comment that contains the rating. Nevertheless, a like can't include a rating because you can't provide an accurate evaluation with it. So no, are not the same but here's my point when I used the "like" word in my previous comment:
If an user rates a mod 4.5/5 it can be because:
- Likes/dislikes it but still considers the mod deserves such rating because is well made in some way or another.
- Likes/dislikes it but also didn't find any bugs/issues/problems on the mod as to provide a lower rating.
- Likes/dislikes it and found one or more bugs/issues/problems but are not relevant enough for the user as to provide a lower rating.
All of them are valid as far as the comment does not contain any text (rude/disrespectful words/text towards other users, useless discussion that's becoming an unnecessary drama, etc) that could lead us to enforce the comments section rules against it.
If an user rates a mod 4 or less can be because:
- Likes/dislikes it but found improvable features or minor bugs that need fixes.
- Likes/dislikes it but found very improvable features or important bugs that need fixes.
- Likes/dislikes it but found it lacks some basic/necessary features or there are serious bugs that need fixes.
- Likes/dislikes it but the mod is literally broken/outdated and needs to get fixed/updated.
- Just dislikes the mod, the user who posts it (revenges, etc.), the preview images/description/tags used or the user is trying to trigger the mod creator for whatever random reason. -> (the rating is not meant for that usage so gets removed)
All of them (except the last one for obvious reasons) are valid as far as the rating is accompanied with constructive criticism and the comment does not contain any text (rude/disrespectful words/text towards other users, useless discussion that's becoming an unnecessary drama, etc) that could lead us to enforce the comments section rules against it.
I can't say it louder/clearer. If someone does not want to understand how ratings work (as in any other site, like Amazon, Facebook, etc) and why do we act accordingly to the site rules and common sense is not the moderators problem.
@schmed I'm glad you shared your opinion.
We have similar views and have had similar experiences.
There are trolls here, like any forums and communities, who just want to disrupt things - and often they succeed, which is when the admins step in.
I'm very passionate about quality, but getting back to the original post here, I'm really glad to see a quality mod derived from @alex89's model.