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[Vehicle] [Train] Thomas the Tank Engine


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    ( @SkylineGTRFreak @Oskar @FoxtrotDelta @Elope @CANAL-EMBRAER-GTA @Akila_Reigns @PNWParksFan )
    This is an absolutely stupid request, but someone should make Thomas the Tank Engine from Thomas & Friends. It should replace the stock train in GTA.
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    (The most accurate image I could find)

    This is the model I would buy: http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/max-thomas-tank-engine/600267



  • @nathanjamesddg151 I would like James, Henry or Gordon, because they're longer than Thomas. :)



  • Thomas the dank engine



  • Wait, does that model need to be paid for?


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    @krashadam I'd buy it if someone could convert it.



  • @nathanjamesddg151 That's a paid model. Rappo or the mods probably wouldn't like that, since anti-piracy is a strict code here. Just to be sure I'm asking them here. Don't panic, you're not going to get banned (from what I know, anyway). I'm just a normal poster here.

    @LeeC2202 @FoxtrotDelta @Rappo What do you guys think of this? I'd thought as well let you know that this was here, since this is something people with more power than a normal poster has. Is this against the rules? (It's a paid model by the way, $15.)



  • @krashadam well Paid models are better. as the author sells it, and when you pay the money and buy the model, its Yours, you can do what ever you want with it.
    i think you got it all wrong here. paid Model means if you pay for it, you Own it. authors of 3d models become so happy if , one of their models gets purchased by someone and what makes them even happier, is if that model gets into a famous Game like Grand Theft Auto

    Edit: seems i was wrong.



  • @FoxtrotDelta Actually, you can't do what you want with it, you can only do what the license allows you to do with it.

    The license for that model says "Editorial uses of this product are allowed, but other uses (such as within computer games) may require legal clearances from third party intellectual property owners"

    It's like any model that is sold with a personal use only license, those cannot be used for anything other than a personal, non-profit making project. This is what all the fuss was about with the people and the Patreon setups, they were selling access to models with a personal-only use license.

    Now the computer games bit probably means as a commercial product but it still put's a restriction on the usage of it.



  • @LeeC2202 hmm. i didn't think about that, before posting. i guess i/we should check the link out for license info.

    Edit: @LeeC2202 Good to have you with us here, Good save! 'you are Very Right '

    license agreement lines from the turbosquid page, below
    "The intellectual property depicted in this model, including the brand "thomas the tank engine", is not affiliated with or endorsed by the original rights holders. Editorial uses of this product are allowed, but other uses (such as within computer games) may require legal clearances from third party intellectual property owners"

    @nathanjamesddg151 we have got to keep this in mind and contact the author's at turbosquid etc and ask them for permission on porting it to games. before we actually purchase them.

    @krashadam Thank you. you did a good thing for us. we are greatful to you for bringing it to our attention. i didn't know this Before.



  • @FoxtrotDelta It's purely because the author of that model doesn't own the IP for that entity, so all they can allow, is the use of their model under conditions that comply with the original copyright owners terms and conditions of use.

    They've covered their back, so if something happens with that model, the author has shown their compliance, it falls on the end user/buyer.



  • @nathanjamesddg151 the guy you purchased Nathan james model from, was cool with nathanjames being ported to gta 5. i think we contacting before buying is better.



  • @LeeC2202 that complicated haan. still if for example i convert/port it to gta 5. after @nathanjamesddg151 purchases it. and i do it for free. and i don't earn money from the mod. does it still quality as illegal ?



  • @FoxtrotDelta Well if you did it for a mod that only @nathanjamesddg151 was going to use, then yes, that would be fine. And they would be able to use that mod to create images that they wanted to show.

    But if that model is put into a mod that then gets released into the public domain, it stops being a personal use project... you've lost control over what happens to it and potentially given it to other people for free.



  • @LeeC2202 makes sense. Thank you. things are always complicated when money is involved.



  • @FoxtrotDelta Very much so and this is why there is such a huge market for stock images/models/clipart etc... Royalty free, unrestricted items generally carry a premium.


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    @krashadam @FoxtrotDelta @LeeC2202 The model listed was a mere example. It should also be noted that there are plenty of models on the site that would be also be in violation (like almost every licensed car, plane, and bike) of said agreement. If the original copyright holder had an issue with it, they would ask that it be removed, but there would be no issue in terms of lawsuit unless @rappo did not reply and did not take action. It is okay to be used in computer games as long as it is kept in a state where no one can steal it and is not sold.

    This text comes from the Turbosquid license agreement: "Allowed games usage: Console, PC, web, mobile games; Virtual and augmented reality; Game mods; Closed MMOs and closed Virtual Worlds."

    EDIT: I highly doubt the owners of the copyright to Thomas the Tank Engine are going to sue.



  • @nathanjamesddg151 Is that the license agreement that applies to that specific model?


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    @LeeC2202 It applies in general. I try to avoid editorial uses only products due to the legal agreements, but I made this page late last night and was not really looking at specific models.



  • @nathanjamesddg151 as you said. some models are free for use. but its always a good idea, to contact and inquire before a purchase. after all you are paying hard earned money from your pocket.



  • @nathanjamesddg151 But that's the problem, TurboSquid can't issue general license rules for copyrighted IP, unless the IP belongs exclusively to the author.

    That's probably what that section you have quoted refers to, models that are the author's sole creation based on a non-existing IP... so that's an agreement between TurboSquid and the author, when the author agrees to "game" usage.

    But you're right about the number of models that could quite easily be removed if the IP owners decided to be awkward about it. At the end of the day, all I can give is my interpretation based on what I know.

    I have a model I got from DeviantArt and if I ever get it converted into GTAV (some chance with my conversion skills :D ), it will never go anywhere else other than on my PC, that's just how I interpret the license.



  • @LeeC2202 what does "IP" stand for? when you use it, in the above sentence.


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    @LeeC2202 I know. But I also haven't seen anything that explicitly says otherwise. For the money it would cost, I'd say it's worth it. Here's a link to their legal webpage: http://blog.turbosquid.com/using-turbosquid-products/ Perhaps you can find something that I missed. EDIT: Mattel owns the trademark, so I can always file an inquiry with them.



  • I feel like I am spoiling this discussion and that was not my intention... I apologise, I can get a bit soap-boxey with licensing, it's not pleasant. :blush:


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    @FoxtrotDelta They are allowed legally - even they said it themselves. It is the trademarked content that is questionable. GTA V models are "relatively" safe; so I doubt Turbosquid will have a problem with it.



  • @LeeC2202 don't worry, you are just, trying to help. your intentions are for Helping i totally understand that. and i think , so does @nathanjamesddg151


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