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Its getting worse... (Mod paywalls)



  • Paid mods.. Why, just why? They introduced a "support via patreon" button. The Skin category is full of scum bags selling mods now. "EXCLUSIVE VIP MODS IF YOU PAY 5$ A MONTH" 1st off, do you have permission from rockstar to sell modified game files?? No, you don't. 2nd Do you have the rights to the characters/assets you are charging for? No, you don't. I get that Z modeler isn't free, but you cannot sell modifications of game files.

    Here's a situation for the average mod consumer. "This person is making really cool skin mods for GTA V, But they don't release very many. Oh? Whats this. Patreon? -Donate 5$ for exclusive mods- Oh cool, I'll do that!" Then they see another person who makes skin mods and they are doing the same thing. So 5$ becomes 15, then 20, then 30 so on.

    THIS NEEDS TO STOP. If you want to use patreon for support fine, that's great, maybe make the mods you release there have a early access feature so supporters get the skins first then you release them. But putting them behind a pay wall is such a scumbag thing to do.



  • I hear you. But when authors kindly ask for a donation on Zmod3 contribution etc, how much response do you think they get? Right. So in there lies the dilemma...



  • I gotta say, I'm getting so tired of seeing this constant begging for Patreon and PayPal donations, that I'm looking through the mods pages less and less. It's turning into mod-blackmail when they're saying "pay me to continue modding".

    I look at it this way, for $5 a month, I can buy a ZModeler3 license that is paying for the original creation of Oleg, or I can pay $5 for someone to bring you someone else's models ripped out of someone else's game. For $10 a month, I can get a basic Creative Cloud subscription from Adobe, or I can get access to another bunch of someone else's models ripped out of someone else's game.

    And then they have the cheek to say "Don't upload this without my permission", which is kinda ironic seeing as they're uploading a model they don't have permission to upload in the first place. :rolling_eyes:

    I personally refuse to give someone money for a model that they didn't build from scratch and I doubt there are very many of those on the site.

    *climbs down off soapbox*



  • @LeeC2202 I will only give money to people that deserve it and put hard work into their mods and do not ask for donations, they are the people that deserve it.



  • you can't say that they're not allowed to sell it cos they are, and if you say then then you'll get all into the "ripping" isn't allowed and most cars on this site shouldn't exist, most people don't want to pay for Zmod because let's be honest here, no one really likes it and it's clunky and slow, but it's all we've got, not to promote crack or anything but on Facebook where all modders talk, no one has ever bought a legit Zmod yet still asks for donations for it ^_^ idk



  • @MomokaChan Here in the UK, especially in my hometown of Manchester, we have a lot of homeless people on the streets and all you hear is "Have you got any change please?" or "Can you spare some change for a drink?"... that's what it feels like on some of these mod pages now.



  • @Frazzlee said in Its getting worse... (Mod paywalls):

    but it's all we've g

    So they're lying just to make a quick buck? This site needs better monitoring for this kind of bullshit



  • @LeeC2202 Yeah but with them its respectable and I'll give money to them because their lives are shit and they need to be cheered up. People charging for mods on this site is far more of a pain, and overall it is illegal as they do not have Rockstar's or the copyright holder of the asset's permission to sell them



  • @Frazzlee said in Its getting worse... (Mod paywalls):

    you can't say that they're not allowed to sell it cos they are

    Actually, yes we can and no they're not... don't confuse what you think with what is true. You could probably argue a good case for non-profit fair-use on any mods that are free, you don't have a leg to stand on when money gets involved.

    As for this...

    @Frazzlee said in Its getting worse... (Mod paywalls):

    most people don't want to pay for Zmod because let's be honest here, no one really likes it and it's clunky and slow, but it's all we've got, not to promote crack or anything but on Facebook where all modders talk, no one has ever bought a legit Zmod yet still asks for donations for it

    I think you have provided the perfect argument for never giving a donation to any modder ever again. Based on that statement, it's funding piracy and copyright theft... glad you highlighted that fact for us.



  • no one? time to get of the horse ;)



  • @LeeC2202 jaja, but people say that because people won't actually pay for models heh, that's why all good models are private
    @ReNNie meant on facebook lol



  • @Frazzlee said in Its getting worse... (Mod paywalls):

    you can't say that they're not allowed to sell it cos they are, and if you say then then you'll get all into the "ripping" isn't allowed and most cars on this site shouldn't exist, most people don't want to pay for Zmod because let's be honest here, no one really likes it and it's clunky and slow, but it's all we've got, not to promote crack or anything but on Facebook where all modders talk, no one has ever bought a legit Zmod yet still asks for donations for it ^_^ idk

    so that is WRONG

    i know 2-3 modders they always buy there licenz for ZMOD and ME too...i never used a cracked version of this!

    u can`t say ALL do this, thats not ok

    gretz

    Lord



  • @Frazzlee said in Its getting worse... (Mod paywalls):

    that's why all good models are private

    LOL, that's a wooden spoon that's been around since time began... It's up there alongside "It's a better club because it's exclusive" or "It tastes better because it costs more"... it's probably valid for hookers and escorts but that's a different story. ;)

    Exclusivity is a trait designed to generate envy in others, by being able to say "I have this and you can't get it". Admittedly it works with some people but I've been around too many good genuine model builders to know the true value of that kind of thing. It's what separates the artist from the commercial entity.



  • @LeeC2202 okok I take it back



  • @MomokaChan Welcome back, I see you've created similar post, again.

    I'm not into this whole VIP - private thing either. And I agree to the fact that it's getting worse, I've seen requests asking permission to upload "free demo/lite" mods. The rest of the mod is "premium", you have to pay for it.

    Asking for donations is also something I hate. That'll be begging.
    Some people don't like to upload mods because they're afraid of their mods getting stolen. To me it's just a thinly built excuse to avoid uploading something without getting paid.

    Have to agree to what LeeC2202 said, "exclusivity is a trait designed to generate envy in others".
    It works too well. Most of these mods have never been created before, and they're best in quality.
    And the "buyers" upload a screenshot of the mod, others see it, and ask where they've got it, and they say "it's a private model done by "xxxxxxx", available only for his/her Patreon supporters". While people like me won't bother with such mods after learning it's private, some people buy it. It's good business, I'll admit.

    This is just like spamming and asking help in console modding. You can't stop people from asking for donations. And I think rappo understands this very well, this is his site, and he has to do what many people like to maintain the site.

    And like ReNNie said, these modders won't get many donations. Only a small percentage donate their money.
    This is not really a big crisis. And it'll stay that way, as long as private mods are kept out of gta5-mods. And I'm sure rappo won't allow it.



  • Looks at queches....



  • @MomokaChan Welcome back, I see you've created similar post, again.

    My previous post didn't get a lot of attention and I want people to realize that this is a problem in the community



  • @GTAVModder4Life said in Its getting worse... (Mod paywalls):

    Looks at queches....

    There are far worse people than Queches. He eventually releases his mods publicly





  • @jedijosh920 u tagged the roastee



  • Make it YouTube, PayPal, idc, as long as it's optional. If you want to force people to spend money on it, go get a job in the business... My 2 cents coming up :D
    And to those people who don't even have the dignity to pay for ZModeler... Yea, a slap to the neck would be kinda satisfying in that case :x



  • I'm coming at this from the perspective of a script modder, which is of course quite different. On the one hand, our tools are generally free (visual studio, scripthook, ragepluginhook, etc.). On the other hand, it requires much more work to create something new, as you can't just rip a model from somewhere else and portray it as your own work.

    I think it's OK to offer early access to a mod to people who have donated, especially if the mod is still in early development. But the key to that is, eventually releasing it to the public, for free!

    Honestly I do think part of is that the people who should be donating don't. There are people making very large sums of money from YouTube and such who literally never donate to anyone. I have no problem with modders sticking it to those people and getting something in return. But for the average player who just wants to enjoy the mods in their game for fun, I think they absolutely deserve to be able to get access, and not get strung along.



  • @PNWParksFan said in Its getting worse... (Mod paywalls):

    I'm coming at this from the perspective of a script modder, which is of course quite different. On the one hand, our tools are generally free (visual studio, scripthook, ragepluginhook, etc.). On the other hand, it requires much more work to create something new, as you can't just rip a model from somewhere else and portray it as your own work.

    I think it's OK to offer early access to a mod to people who have donated, especially if the mod is still in early development. But the key to that is, eventually releasing it to the public, for free!

    Honestly I do think part of is that the people who should be donating don't. There are people making very large sums of money from YouTube and such who literally never donate to anyone. I have no problem with modders sticking it to those people and getting something in return. But for the average player who just wants to enjoy the mods in their game for fun, I think they absolutely deserve to be able to get access, and not get strung along.

    Your last paragraph... so true. Many people make movies of mods they download for free and often get 100k-1m views on those videos, which can generate quite a nice sum. And many of them don't even mention the author or link the mod in the description.
    Icing on the cake is then seeing people in the comments go like: Wow, you're so talented/nice work/please do more mods like these

    And I'm like: * triggered *



  • i agree skylinegtrfreak for example i saw a video on youtube of someones starsky and huitch zebra 3 cop car mod though i could never get him the author to relese it or send out a link or sumthing so i could try it out myself so i gave up now i cant get lspdfr to work so now if it came out i really cant use it
    how ever i wish some onewould make a 1958 plymouth fury mod so that i could do a christine youtube video on it with a link to da mod



  • Wich is the good donation value for a modder?
    I readed all comments and I want to start a modding campaign searching support for my work. The modding is hard and afortunally the tools are distributed free with donations support. Some modders do amazing jobs with clean rigs, good material treatment and without affect the game performance, meanwhile anothers do things without good rigging, no materials care and affects the game performance because not search and learn about the concepts and pipelines to do a good mod for a video game without damage its balance between visuals and performance.

    About ripped contents, that is true, is from people who put their work and time professionally. The free models sites offer under "personal license only", that means is not redistribution allowed.

    ***Rockstar has a interesting article about modding in its games, and I show the next quote from that article:
    ***"We have always appreciated the creative efforts of the PC modding community and we still fondly remember the awesome zombie invasion mod and original GTA map mod for GTAIV PC among many other classics. To be clear, the modding policy in our license has not changed and is the same as for GTAIV. Recent updates to GTAV PC had an unintended effect of making unplayable certain single player modifications. This was not intentional, no one has been banned for using single player modifications, and you should not worry about being banned or being relegated to the cheater pool just for using single player PC mods. Our primary focus is on protecting GTA Online against modifications that could give players an unfair advantage, disrupt gameplay, or cause griefing. It also bears mentioning that because game mods are by definition unauthorized, they may be broken by technical updates, cause instability, or affect your game in other unforeseen ways."(Source: http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/52429/asked-answered-the-rockstar-editor-gta-online-updates)

    Personally I think: Do mods but do with the necessary like a native game component, and request support, not sales.


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