We're trying to work out whether it's the real Quant or not. We have strong suspicions that it is someone else pretending to be Quant, in which case, they'll be banned and the mods removed until the real Quant says otherwise.

We still definitely are, but we can't repeat it on our end, which means it's very difficult to diagnose and then fix. We've ruled out issues with the cache (like what Steam had a couple of years back), and the likelihood of a session ID match is the same odds as winning the lottery 3 times in a row or something, so we think it's very (very) unlikely to be that. So, we're pretty stumped!

If this happens to anyone else please contact me directly or, if you want to be really helpful, please join the 5Mods Discord server (https://discord.gg/RmdeAPw) and ping me. I will then put you in direct contact with our programmers who will be very thankful to speak to you in an effort to get to the bottom of this.

Will definitely take a look at this.

Since you keep saying we're ignoring you, trying to call out moderators for things we haven't even done, and claiming we're trying to hide this conversation (even when I've replied to this post multiple times to explain why you're wrong), I'm out. It's like talking to a brick wall and it's a complete waste of my time.

I know copyright law on this topic. I've paid plenty of solicitors over the past 18 years to clarify this very topic for me, I don't need to reevaluate it. Sharing copyrighted music, encrypted or unencrypted, is illegal and I'm not going to change my mind on enforcing this rule on the site. This is now "end of discussion" for me.

So, I was listening and responding, you kept on saying I wasn't, so now I'm definitely not.

Great. Well we all know where your loyalties lie, for yourself and not the modding community.

You talk about "the modding community" like you are the modding community. You are not the modding community. You're a part of it, for sure, and I'm very happy to say that I most definitely do not stand up for any elements of the modding community who are breaking the law.

I'll happily stand up for members of the modding community who are not breaking the law and are not breaking our Terms of Service who are being treated wrong.

Also that last line proves you are an honest to god liberal

I'm pretty much straight in the center of British politics, which is probably just a bit left of US politics. Either way, I have no idea if being "liberal" is meant to be an insult or not? What I do know is that it's utterly irrelevant to this conversation.

I wasn't talking about banning Nazi images you dumb dumb.

No, I didn't claim you were talking about that. I claimed you were talking about calling users Nazis, which you implied that I had in your previous post. And I had, yesterday. Because he was, actually, a neo-Nazi.

I was talking about this bullcrap claim made by one of your supposed honest moderators that you conveniently overlooked:

by ikt:
"Okay, first of all, it's also kinda rude and predictable to call people Nazis."

He wasn't calling people Nazis, either. He was stating it's rude and predictable to do that, which someone did. It was removed by a moderator. Hence why it makes less sense to you.

This is all rather confusing and I've no idea why you brought up Nazis at all.

Then why not upload them to a deep web site if you are so scared?

Because they're not my mods to reupload. Nor would I want to. These are mods other people make, so it's their job to upload them to "the deep web", not ours.

If you would actually look at the laws it states that fair use is determined by the courts and it could mean anything.

Show me where any laws state "fair use could mean anything". That's obviously not true.

It is true that fair use is a defense in court, but in order for you to use that defense, you need to go to court. This rule change is all about preventing us from going to court in the first place, because going to court to defend such a case is extremely expensive and I certainly don't want to go to court to defend other author's rights to redistribute copyrighted content without permission. I wholeheartedly disagree with the practice of using copyrighted work without permission, so I definitely wouldn't be defending it.

Also I have intellectual property rights as well. I put hard work and time into creating these Radio Station mods.

If you created anything unique from this work, such as your own code or image assets for the mod, then you own the IP rights to those assets you specifically made yourself. If you did not, then no, you do not have any intellectual property. The time you spend organizing copyrighted music others have made into a mod does not make the music assets in the mod yours.

I don't need you or anyone else telling me it is illegal when it is not.

I feel like you do, because redistributing copyrighted assets without permission is illegal.

Like I said before I am not committing piracy because these mods are encrypted. It is up to the user to decrypt the music, which is piracy. The user is not using the mod as it is intended to be used, that is not my problem. I am operating under the law, I have not commited piracy.

Piracy is clearly defined as "the unauthorized use or reproduction of another's work". If you're redistributing copyrighted music against the explicit license for that music then yes, you are breaking the law.

I don't see the logic here, I have tons of mods just like this on Mediafire, but they fight for our rights there.

Can you show me where MediaFire are standing up for your rights and defending copyrighted music being uploaded to their service on your behalf, please? MediaFire comply with DMCA takedown requests and will suspend users who are found to be breaching it.

What makes you guys so special that you won't stand up for what is right.

It's not right, it's illegal. That's why I won't stand up for it.

Oh yeah and talking about toxic insults, I wasn't the one that called someone a Nazi, just saying.

I called an openly neo-Nazi user, with a neo-Nazi image as an avatar, a Nazi and banned them from 5Mods. If you disagree with that, honestly, why are you here? Please just leave.

@HarleyQuinnSquad said in Discussions regarding "Radio station mods, copyrighted music and moderation":

The only stupid mess that has surfaced is the toxicity of this modding community as a whole.

Us telling you we're going to follow the law and abide by the law is not "toxic". You throwing insults around is, however, toxic. So the irony is not wasted on me.

You keep throwing around the phrase "fair use", but fair use does not apply to radio station mods using copyrighted music without permission. It does not mean, "use what you want without permission and, as long as it's free, you can't be punished". That's not fair use. Fair use is a right granted to use copyrighted work for specific purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, research, teaching or scholarship. Essentially, it's designed to allow reviewers to review copyrighted work (e.g. a film or music review) or to provide for parodies that mimic the original, copyrighted work.

None of the fair usage reasons provided above cover radio station mods for GTA V. The mere fact you release the mods for free does NOT mean it's legal and OK.

To put it another way, what you're doing, ripping music from the internet or physical media and putting it in your mod, is the same as using another mod author's car model or textures without permission in your mod and uploading it to 5Mods. That's against the rules on 5Mods because it's illegal and extremely rude to the mod author. It's copyright infringement. If someone makes an original work, from scratch, it's their work. It's automatically copyrighted to them and, until such time as they license it out in an open way for others to use and upload in their mods, it remains strictly theirs, and theirs alone, to distribute. Even if they upload it to 5Mods (or anywhere else on the internet), that doesn't suddenly make it open source and free to distribute in other mods without permission. The mere fact you can download and use the mod for free, and the assets within the mod are open and available, does not rescind the copyright and rights that the author has over their work. The exact same applies to music creators.

Simply put; just because you have it on your PC does NOT make it yours to redistribute it as you please. Nor does buying the music.

Pretty much all commercial music is licensed to you in such a way that you are not allowed to redistribute it without the prior permission of the copyright holder. People are welcome to upload music that is NOT copyrighted or that is released under a creative commons license or similar on 5Mods. This rule does not apply to such music.

This rule update on 5Mods and its enforcement is to prevent illegal mods from being shared on the site, specifically to protect the site from legal repercussions. If you want to share radio mods, you are welcome to do so on your own website, where you will be directly responsible for hosting it. It's quite possible nothing will happen to you, but we simply cannot and will not take that risk.