@Regash said in [SCRIPT] [WIP] - Drag Meets 2.0:

@Eddlm said in [SCRIPT] [WIP] - Drag Meets 2.0:

I've seen them, I can't remove these. I've just fixed the returning path.

I just saw that, when using the "No traffic" option from ENT, every car disappears. Flowing traffic, parked cars, everything is gone. Maybe there is another way they do it, I don't know.

@mkeezay30
You are probably right but I'm a type of guy who does stuff in a way, I won't need to go back for an overhaul later. And maybe Eddlm just has another picture of how drag racing should work than I do. Pr maybe it's just the fact that he likes supersars where I don't. You always wanna see your hero win, right?
But if he is trying to decide whether or not a car should do a wheelie by the way of measuring ground clearance and the game data makes that impossible, is it really wrong to say: "Here's another idea!"?
Also, I already told him to tell me to shut up anytime he thinks I start to annoy him. That statement still stands.

I think it's great you are giving inpt, that's the point after all, every time you post it just gives more ideas, so don't stop, maybe Eddlm will decide to add it now, but I've looked at his code, doing it by tire type instead would take him maybe a minute to script, going back isn't a hassle like it would be with a more complicated code, but it's fairly simple, and fairly close to the way he'd do it by tire type.

Don't go thinking your suggestions are annoying, they are very welcomed and will help make this mod better in the end, I also had reservations about how tires were checked which we discussed at length in Discord, I actually wanted it the same way you do, as the actual coder though Eddlm is the one who has to try and make the mod pleasing to as many people as possible initially.

@Regash said in [SCRIPT] [WIP] - Drag Meets 2.0:

@Eddlm said in [SCRIPT] [WIP] - Drag Meets 2.0:

I've been trying for quite some time to get it right but the game doesn't want to help. Here's the ground clearance, in numbers (meters), that GTA V thinks a Phoenix and a Feltzer have: http://imgur.com/a/tkwBN, gotten from their backs.

That's correct, the Phoenix is 0.14 meters high, and the Feltzer is 0.18. This game actually believes that the Feltzer is higher than a Phoenix.

So I can't do much more to know if a car should be able to do wheelies or not. And I don't want to make lists, that would leave modded cars out of the equation.

Look at a picture of a top fuel dragster. Ground clearance is almost not there but still some need wheelie bars to keep it from flipping.

I still think you're going at it with simply a wrong idea in your mind, just as with the tires-discussion we had. Supercars and sportscars are made for racing, they're built to use all the power they got for acceleration and speed. Mucle cars, sedans and all the others were designed with other things in mind, like a comfortable ride, for example. Muscle cars actually were considered kind of sports cars but there we have to take into account that those cars were a) built in a country with very low and stricht speed limits and b) used technology that even back then was 'old news' already. The concept of a rigid axle and flat springs had been shunted in Europe for quite a while when Ford, Chrysler, Chevrolet and all the others still used them for their top models.

I strongly believe that you should go for a cars class to see whether or not it wheelies. Supercars and sports simply don't, sports classics probably also won't. Mucles, sedans, compacts do. Also, I don't think cars should do wheelies with less than at least EMS upgrade 3, maybe even 4. (Not sure about the turbo, though.) Even the most powerful muscle cars didn't do wheelies until heavily modified for racing purposes. Cars in general are designed for safe driving, after all. That is why I had the idea for career mode that you start out with a stock car and, even after getting EMS upgrade 4, you should be able to still buy power and performance upgrades for your car that will add to the PowerMultiplier of your car. Don't forget that people with mods tend to use other mods to get money, vehicles and upgrades. That is why career mode should have a separate 'racing purse' for he player instead of his ingame money and why he should be forced to start out with an unmodified stock car of his own choice that he can upgrade to a degree where it actually can beat any other car. Think of a Rhapsody that races against a fully upgraded Nero Custom... And wins!

Also about the tires: There is a reason that different types of tires exist. A set of tires that suits a Ferrari just fine won't be working well on a Mercedes E-Class. And especially rims are just some metal (or other material) designed to have a certain look and don't contribute to performance except in maybe their weight. That is why I think custom tires should give a boost on grip, not the kind of tires you use. A muscle car needs different tires than a supercar. And as much as I believe that classes is the way to go with wheelies, I also believe it is the way to go with tire types. Super cars need high end tires. Sports cars need sports tires. Muscle cars need their type of tires. I strongly believe in the idea of classes.

I know, I'm probably to much into real world drag racing. I simply won't accept that supercars will rule this sports, not even in Los Santos. I've seen a street legal Volkswagen Beetle destroy a Ferrari in a drag race. I have seen a Funny Car winning against a fighter jet. I've seen a Formula 1 car losing against a pickup truck. Drag racing is not about racing. No muscle car, no matter how powerful, will be able to compete against even a sportscar in a street race, their handling is just so much better. But drag racing is only about power, about acceleration, about grip.

Take a look at this video, it drag racing americans VS imports. Don't look at who is winning, just look at the cars behavior and their tendency to lift the front wheels.

This has already been discussed and the idea was to strike a balance between fun and realism, I've proposed an option for users to pick a more realistic version for wheelies, but he also already tuned wheelies to look more realistic after I showed him some slow motion videos of take offs and wheelies, it seems that trying to please both crowds is a bit too complicated atm, which is understandable, I've been asking for a lot of features that border more on simulation like yourself, but for now I think finding a decent middle ground is good.

There are a lot of big features he's implementing, so maybe after those are done we can put up a poll and ask who's more interested in a more simulation style mod, for example he was saying the other day you can actually tell where cars have done burnouts, which I thought could be used to help tire temp for future cars, possibly give a slight help with grip after the first few cars.

Features like that will go unnoticed by most though, so I think right now Eddlm is focusing on making the best mod for a large audience, hopefully after that he adds some other features talked about here

@Akila_Reigns said in [Misc] [W.I.P] Realism 1.0 A.K.A GTA-NG (Next Gen):

@mkeezay30 said in [Misc] [W.I.P] Realism 1.0 A.K.A GTA-NG (Next Gen):

I've been doing a lot of work silently lately.

Not really, you know what I mean.
Great work, will try it out.

Unfortunately some people aren't as silent as I am lol, but I thought my features were being kept secret.

@HeySlickThatsMe said in [Misc] [W.I.P] Realism 1.0 A.K.A GTA-NG (Next Gen):

Can't wait :D
im really impressed how you did the detached car parts physics (gif 1)

Thanks, after removing the limit on physics based objects and playing with explosions I've ended up with what I think are the most realistic physics by far, I will also be releasing the physics overhaul as a standalone mod.

I've been doing a lot of work silently lately, figured I'd create this thread so I can figure out what exactly people would like to see in 1.0, so far I've done quite a bit, but there are a few things I consider vital to 1.0's release that are not yet done.
I'd also like it to be known that Quentin Tarantino is also creating the mod with me, I'll have him come in and post some of his work as well

So here is a short list of what is done so far, as well as some example of the work done so far.

Gang system completely overhauled to make territory, sets, gang wars, and the ability to modify gangs by street/block to add extreme variation.

Complete overhaul of physics from people, to cars, to simple objects.

AI overhaul makes AI much smarter and less predictable, peds will always run in the oppposite direction, if you chase and catch up they'll turn around to get away, they will swim, jump fences, take alleyways and even jump on to roofs or climb up ladders to escape.

Better vehicle destruction, a plane crashing can break in to many pieces, as can a helicopter, helicopter rotors can fly off and kill bystanders

New facial textures and other details to make V look much nicer.

Those are just a few small things, I will also use this thread to let the community know what I need if anyone is interested in helping with the project.

What is needed?

A skilled coder for the few more advanced scripts
Someone skilled with Zmodeler willing to help out with custom vehicles, and simpler things like attaching objects, one thing for example is adding MGs to the WWII fighter plane

Here are some videos and pictures of some finished things

True force based projection

Bullet Force Body Absorbance

New Faces

Below are animated GIFs that I will combine in to a single 4K video as I create the 1.0 trailer.

http://giphy.com/gifs/26gJzKykjovhiYgg0/html5

http://giphy.com/gifs/3o6Zt8XaEomio30qJ2/html5

http://giphy.com/gifs/3o6ZtflY0bgMpmtkOY/html5

http://giphy.com/gifs/3o7TKyaZxWDCKCcMBa/html5

giphy.com/gifs/l0MYD2WN9E16GSoG4

Please by constructive and kind to everyone in the topic

@Regash said in [SCRIPT] [WIP] - Drag Meets 2.0:

@mkeezay30 said in [SCRIPT] [WIP] - Drag Meets 2.0:

You've got a fairly similar idea as me as to how tires should work, here is how I think they should work
1 Burnouts warm up your tires quickly, increasing grip for the race, although I think a 50% increase is too much...

I took the 50 % from what I saw in the 1.9 Version I tested.
There is +0,5 for warm tires, +0,5 for sport rims/tires and even +1,0 for High end rims/tires.
So using high end and making a burnout took me up to 250 % grip, according to the notification at race start.

I didn't really calculate your numbers but you and @Eddlm are the more experienced guys anyway, so I trust your wisdom and would always be ready for more testing.

But I'm glad you're with me and my ideas here, so let's wait for @Eddlm s verdict...

Edit: I just realized, right beside Sandy Shore Airfield, there is a new meet for Offroaders. That doesn't work at all!

• Due to poles drivers can't find their way to the starting line.
• Poles respawn everytime I went to the finish line and back.
• Although all 4 cars reach the finish line, the race has been aborted.

We've come up with quite a few ideas just since I last posted so it's definitely going to be a great script, I'll also be adding a few meets for people who use Menyoo or Map Editor to load up which make use of some unused areas in V, as well as adding more racers and more meets including sports bike and even at least one bicycle run just for fun lol.

@Eddlm is doing a lot right now to make races more realistic and varied, he can tell you about everything we've talked about for the script, and what he has coded so far, it's looking damn good so far.

@Regash said in [SCRIPT] [WIP] - Drag Meets 2.0:

@Eddlm said in [SCRIPT] [WIP] - Drag Meets 2.0:

You're right. It would also prevent experimenting with different cars in different areas.

I prefer the idea of having each wheeltype to affect performance, but maybe an option to only check for Custom Tires instead of wheel type could satisfy both.
@mkeezay30 What's your opinion on this?

How about this idea, then? Match rim types to car classes!

• Muscle Cars boosted Muscle Rims
• Supercars boosted by High End Rims
• Sportscars boosted by Sport Rims
• Offroad Cars boosted by Offroad Rims

Something along those lines, you know?

• Making a burnout warming up your tires: Grip get 50 % bonus.
• Having the right type of rims on your car: Grip get 50 % bonus.
• Use custom tires instead of normal: Grip get 50 % bonus.

Maybe that would work out?

Also, I experienced no crashes whatsoever, buikdt runs stable for me. Everything else has already been mentioned.

You've got a fairly similar idea as me as to how tires should work, here is how I think they should work

1 Burnouts warm up your tires quickly, increasing grip for the race, although I think a 50% increase is too much, I think 20-25% increase would be more realistic, I also think that any tire type should benefit from transmission, as a racing transmission/competition transmission is better for initial acceleration, I also think cars with an engine upgrade but no decent tires or transmission should spin quite a bit giving them poor starting times.

here's how I think the math should break down.

So let's say we have a Super Car, we take the base speed and acceleration

Upgraded Tires give you +20% acceleration, but if you add
Upgraded Transmission gives you +5% initial acceleration and +5% shifting reaction time
Fully upgraded engine gives you plus +10% top speed, and plus +10% acceleration

That gives this car +35% acceleration, not counting tire grip from burnouts which I'll get to below

Now that's if a racer has upgraded tires, but the same numbers can be used in various ways, for example, say a racer enters a race with a fully upgraded engine, but has stock tires, we deduct 10% from initial acceleration, because those tires would spin more of the start, if they have no tires but a upgraded transmission, that gives them +5 bringing it to only -5 acceleration.

So tires at stock are worth 0%
-10% starting time for engine causing spinning tires, plus 10% top speed
+5% acceleration at start and +5% reaction time shifting.

Gives this car -5% starting time, +10 top speed, +5 reaction time shifting.

Since all cars should spin their tires to warm up, the only difference should be if there is a value tied to the time the tires spin for, for example +5% grip for every second of burnout time, if drivers had random small variations that could play a part, if not I think burnouts should be given a +20% max on extra grip, +5% for rim type, and as mentioned above +20% for tire type

I think to add much better variation having tire grip from burnouts set by the time it burns rubber is a better idea, but scripting is really @Eddlm realm so he'll know better if that is feasible.

@TheSigui said in [Script] [WIP] Aircraft Jet Blast:

@mkeezay30 I'm sorry, but why did you quote me ? What you said doesn't seem to be a response to my quote, but to @Camxxcore's one :
[Script] [WIP] Aircraft Jet Blast:

@Think_Tank You should learn (: Make it your 2017 resolution. Its a really awesome skill to have.

lol I thought I did quote him, thanks.

@CamxxCore said in [Script] [WIP] Aircraft Jet Blast:

You should learn (: Make it your 2017 resolution. Its a really awesome skill to have

Indeed, I'm learning as much as I can before going to the Game Institute (toronto film school) in Toronto hopefully fairly soon, after that I'll finally have the knowledge to create an actual prototype stage as a demo for my game idea.

I've found learning C# after knowing PHP isn't that hard, although I make constant mistakes with simple things like syntax often, I'm still learning enough to put to use a bit at least, never too late to learn something new.

Anyway, I'll create a Realism thread tonight or in the morning after I get some media ready, and Tink can spend all his excitement there so he's not bothering others lol, just joking btw Tech AKA Tink, I know you mean well

@Think_Tank said in [Script] [WIP] Aircraft Jet Blast:

@CamxxCore Mom's breathing down my neck about it for college. "Hey, so a son of my friend was doing graphic arts for a major, then he learnt how to code, now he's working at big companies after making apps with his graphic skills." I'm a communication studies major, but I like graphic design (I'm making shirt graphics with inkscape from scratch) I'll take some art classes and coding classes. I already have 5 resolutions, I guess I can add more. (Said resolutions are more song, script, poem, whatever writing (got some great ideas to use with cutscene mod or Rockstar editor,) more guitar playing, more graphics, less games, and be less of a dick.)

You're not a dick, you just get excited about modding, it's understandable, just need to take a few deep breaths before you post

@Frazzlee said in [Script] [WIP] Aircraft Jet Blast:

@Think_Tank good luck man

Hey Franz, it's Matt from FB if you didn't notice, any luck on the plane, send me a msg on FB, I know you've had problems with Zmodeler so I didn't want to bug you.

@Akila_Reigns said in [Script] [WIP] Aircraft Jet Blast:

@mkeezay30 mkeezay30 I'm sorry mate.
Think_Tank's been giving you a bad rep in many threads saying "mkeezay30's already doing this, mkeezay30's already doing that". "It'll be better, it'll be bigger than your mod" etc.
Like LeeC2202 said before, it's unfair to use others' threads to promote another one's mods. But clearly it wasn't your idea to do so, please accept my apologies.

I completely understand, no worries, I'll definitely talk to Tink about this, it's very rude and had I known I would have squashed this much earlier, I think you guys are doing great work and in no way want to diminish that, or see others try to make them look bad.

At least now that I am informed we can sort this out like adults with no middle man distorting things, apology accepted, and I'm sorry this wasn't cleared up earlier, I've kind of gone in blackout mode on 5mods since most of my work was jacked for another mod that will remain nameless, but I should have checked in at least to see things like this, thanks for being a rational and understanding person, I'm sure you know not everyone can act like that in our community, so it's nice to know we have members willing to look at things properly and discuss them without unneeded hate.

@LeeC2202 said in [Script] [WIP] Aircraft Jet Blast:

@mkeezay30 I'm sorry you got dragged into this but I hope you appreciate as a mod creator, how infuriating it is when we see the same comments over and over making it look like our mods are worthless, because you're already allegedly making them.

I know you don't make these comments and I cannot believe you would advise him to make them. I had to deal with it on my mod-page and felt it was extremely unfair to have my page used as a promotional platform for someone else's mods.

I hold no personal grudge, I respect any/every other modder's ability, as I hope every modder does. I hope you understand why the comments are being made in the tone they are... it just gets a bit much to take sometimes.

My apologies too @CamxxCore

I'm sorry I didn't notice this earlier, and yes I fully understand how annoying that would be to have someone constantly talking about another mod and belittling your own, I'm not too happy this has been going on, I completely appreciate the work you guys do and would never come on here to put you down, or ask someone else to do so, I think it's extremely rude and not the kind of stuff we need in the community, I'm sorry for any inconvenience or annoyance this may have caused.

Please let me know if you have seen this occur elsewhere so I can speak for myself to those who have had to put up with this, definitely not something I approve of, and something I'd think Tink should have told me since he is in my Discord chat and is always talking as it is, I'll ask him to stop doing this, as not only is it a big hassle for everyone in the community that has to deal with this, but it also tells people about features I'd rather keep a surprise until I do videos at least, a lose lose situation we can do without.

@TheSigui said in [Script] [WIP] Aircraft Jet Blast:

@mkeezay30 I also apologize for anything i could have thought and said about you before. As @Akila_Reigns explained, you kinda had the bad rep of an ironic "savior" and that was annoying being told not to make mods just because you also had an idea about that. Sorry, and i highly respect your work.

No worries man, I definitely understand with what has been said how you'd end up annoyed with constantly hearing people to stop work because someone else will just do it better, which I never even said to begin with, just said I'd be doing, or have already done similar features, obviously anyone is free to do the work they want and should be able to do so without negative feedback like what I've seen here.